Otakon AMV Contest 2005 Geoff or new guy

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Postby Vlad G Pohnert » Sun Sep 05, 2004 3:27 am

genestarwind21122 wrote:I guess there is no convincing anybody that I have faith in him that he would do a better job. I mean Vlad you should know yourself how hard it is and espically for someone who has never ran one before to live up to the legendary Otakon AMV Contest standards that is a lot of pressure. If anything if we can't have Geoff then I would prefer someone here on the org who has had at least 2 years experience running a major contest to run Otakon next year than another new person. If the new person really wants to do it I recommend that they would have to watch and learn from the experienced coordinators on how to do such a thing and not left to be in the dark. And then the following year have the new person whoever it maybe run the contest but with assistance from the experience person. Then after that the following year should be fine.

Does this seem like a reasonable idea? Now if it is who here on the org would be generous enough to help out probably an estimated 24,000 + Otaku's at Otakon next year.

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Yes.. That is probably the best course of action. Best if someone new to all this starts off as an assistant and them takes over. That's the best eay for it to work...

Of course the hard part is trying to find someone with experience to do it....

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Postby Pwolf » Sun Sep 05, 2004 3:58 am

Vlad G Pohnert wrote: And it only takes once to tarnish that... Just ask anyone about Anime Expo and what happened in 2002....


indeed... But i wont say James doesn't do a good job. he did a great job in 2003 and well it could've been better this year: no major complaints though. but, that's not the topic right now...



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Postby AbsoluteDestiny » Sun Sep 05, 2004 5:53 am

genestarwind21122 wrote:Okay guys listen I have some sympath to Geoff.


Sure, poor Geoff - but given the circumstances he should not have been coordinator because you cannot coordinate when your only contact with the outside world is from your mother's cell phone!!!

Oh and screw "better the devil you know"... we don't know Geoff. He has made very little actual contact with the community and any contact that was made was filled with misunderstanding.

I agree that someone with experience in amv contests should probably run it but Geoff is NOT experienced at amv contests, given that most of the work last year was done largely by other people.

Frankly at this point the "bettwe candidate" is the person who can actually be contacted about thing and doesn't shirk responsiblity. I'm all for giving the new guy a chance. There are no better candidates right now.
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Postby Khameleon808 » Sun Sep 05, 2004 1:12 pm

I vote the new guy , being this is gonna be the first con i attend , i dont want it ran by someone who the general consensus is , sucked last time left in charge of something like this , i can respect that fact that he makes amv's as well. but cant that be kinda biased , you start to develop a style and taste for others editing as well as your own. If I were to have a submission in there this year i would want it judged by someone who has no conceit for themselves or try and compare each vid to one's own style, dont get me wrong im not sayin thats what geoff does , but people thought he didnt do a good job so i think its only fair to let someone new have a go at it. cause if there is a chance of another contest venue sucking , that might toll on attendance the following year. Just my 2 cents , dont spend it all on one place
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Postby Freako » Sun Sep 05, 2004 2:38 pm

I vote new guy .

I watched too many videos where the sound was too low, and amvs with the same anime were back to back. Although these things may seem trivial, it really puts the creator at a disadvantage when the audience that just sats through 3 minutes of footage has to sit and watch another 3 minutes with all the same footage.

and on another note . starting the prescreenings at 9 am ? on friday ?

gimmie at least an hour to go through registration.
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Postby dokool » Mon Sep 06, 2004 6:57 am

genestarwind21122 wrote:I guess there is no convincing anybody that I have faith in him that he would do a better job.


You've more than convinced us all that <i>you</i> have faith in him, considering you've taken more time than you really should be taking to defend him.

However, Gene, if you've noticed? You're the only person in the AMV scene who's defending Geoff right now. Why isn't Geoff himself on the board, begging forgiveness for the job he's done? Shouldn't the person in charge of one of the country's most respected AMV contests be more reachable than he was? The fact that he has no CAR and that the King of Prussia prescreening (the first one) had to be cancelled because a third party had a car accident is a major, major problem.

I don't place *all* of the blame on Geoff, but I also place some of the blame on the people who decided he'd be a good coordinator. Personally I think we'd be better if Matt Pyson came back. Otakon 2003 had pretty much no problems whatsoever, and I consider it to be the smoothest-run AMV contest I've seen. Matt was easily reachable and not only knows his stuff, but knows many of us creators and is on good terms with us (unlike Geoff, who seems to have pissed most of the established AMV scene off to no end). Sadly, the chances of this happening are probably as slim as the chances of anyone else coming out to defend Geoff.

With hesitancy, I say that while the new guy should be given an opportunity, he should be held on a very, very short leash. Two years of in a row of a muddled AMV competition could ruin the reputation that the Otakon contest has (or as of now, used to have...)

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Postby genestarwind21122 » Mon Sep 06, 2004 10:18 am

So dookol you at least agree with me that if we have this new guy take over possibly that it could reuin the Otakon AMV Contest. Then why don't we help Geoff as a community sorta like my anime club helped me run it when alot of stuff was going on with me at one point in time. I see how the amv comparision didn't work, but still I affected a group of people before and they help made suggestions on what I could do to make it better.

If need be I'll be the contact for Geoff right now, but he has offered his phone number but he isn't home until about 4 or 5 pm Monday through Friday. Just pm me and I'll give it to you. He is trying to open up. I would like to say I am 100% sure things would go better next year but nothing is ever a 100%. What do you say? With Geoff I think Otakon can be saved. You guys know me here from the org. You know when I give opinions I try to be as helpful as I can. Trust me at least. Remember I'm only human and I do make mistakes but yet as an amv creator and coordinator of a new contest that's going on right at this moment. I know who hard it is to run one. And yes I did mess up by not making seperate categories and having all videos compete against each other. But I did do a fix on it where certain categories of videos get bonus points baised on the less favorite categories to watch. I'm sure next year I'll have it better planned out but we will never know if we don't give him a second chance.
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Postby jbone » Mon Sep 06, 2004 10:45 am

genestarwind21122 wrote:So dookol you at least agree with me that if we have this new guy take over possibly that it could reuin the Otakon AMV Contest.

You've ignoring everything, except what you want to hear.
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Postby jbone » Mon Sep 06, 2004 10:50 am

Gene...

You're an immature kid.

You don't understand anything that went on.

You don't know enough to care about why so many people wanted to see Geoff gone.

You need to take a few more years to mature before you'll even begin to realize just how dimwitted and contrary you're being now, and even then you need to become far more worldly and perceptive.

Geoff made excuses all year as to why he couldn't do a better job. He should not have been selected in the first place, as he was unable to communicate adequately.

Now, you're here to say give him another chance - not because you have any sound, valid reasoning behind anything you say, but beause "it's the right thing to do."

Nothing's "the right thing to do" unless you know why you're doing it.

Gene, THINK before you post even one more word. You are doing nothing here but making yourself look really, really, really, REALLY stupid.
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Postby genestarwind21122 » Mon Sep 06, 2004 11:51 am

I'm requesting a lock of this thread.
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Postby dokool » Mon Sep 06, 2004 6:34 pm

genestarwind21122 wrote:I'm requesting a lock of this thread.


That's the most intelligent thing you've said in this entire thread. *golf clap*
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