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Postby ANTDrakko » Wed Jul 28, 2004 11:49 am

Heh, I don't even think that is the case in Convention AMV contests.

I, again, personally, post videos on the .org to be viewed @ by the general public, but namely other creators who view and critique my technical aspects in order to further my ability.

I submit my videos to conventions so that a large audience is able to voice their opinion about the competition and select the "best" video in those catageories.

Point being that: I don't think that technical aspects should be held hand in hand with audience enjoyablity unless deemed appropriate (AWA Pro and Master's) . AWA seems to have this relationship downpact. Kudos.
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Postby MCWagner » Wed Jul 28, 2004 1:02 pm

ANTDrakko wrote:Heh, thats another thing that kinda urks me: Why is audience voting such a bad thing?

I mean, I dunno about everyone else, but I create videos for the audience.

Not that I don't trust the judges of any convention, I think the people that organize these larger AMV contests are highly trustworthy. I just think that it kind of defeats the purpose of having the contest screened in front of the Audience.

::shrug::

Just my two cents...

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To put it simply: HA!

1) Go back and look at the numbers. In order for the audience to fairly judge the entries, they would have to see them all.

All of them. All 250+. For Expo alone.

You want to help us judge the videos? Come by Quu's the week before the con. We'll be there. For three days straight, watching all the videos.

Who's qualified doesn't even enter into it. I wouldn't want to try and get one audience to sit still for a 4 to 6-hour showing that would be necessary for the Pro contest, much less the three day marathon that is Expo.

Otakon gets around this by trimming down what they actually show. As you said, ~200 gets trimmed down to around 30. That's fine. It's their con, they can do what they like, and what they think is fair. We try another track. Everyone gets at least one video shown at the con, in the VAT track or in the main display. If possible, we work to make sure we show a particular creator's video when they're present in the room. The VAT is an expo for creators first, and a platform for contests second.

Every vid, when being considered for awards, gets the same consideration, 'cause we've got the same judges sitting through them all.

2) Ballots are such a hassle. : )

Seriously, though. We don't consider ourselves some great authority-on-high, massive think-tank, while the audiences are the uneducated rabble. We do our best to try and get a wide variety of opinions by getting everyone we know who likes AMVs in to judge Expo, and then discuss as a group to select winners. If we could get a full-sized audience for Expo judging, we would. But we can't subject the audience at AWA to that. At the con, viewings are just supposed to be fun, not a requirement to stay glued to your seat for hours and hours lest you invalidate your judging of the videos by missing some.

To take your own example, you make the videos for the audience. What happens if your vid doesn't get shown at all?

I've gotten this question every year now, but no-one ever seems satisfied with the answer...
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Postby MCWagner » Wed Jul 28, 2004 1:05 pm

ANTDrakko wrote:Point being that: I don't think that technical aspects should be held hand in hand with audience enjoyablity unless deemed appropriate (AWA Pro and Master's) . AWA seems to have this relationship downpact. Kudos.


Uh... I'm sorry, but I'm afraid I don't understand this comment. What did you mean by us having this relationship "downpact?" (Not being sarcastic, I really don't understand what you meant there.)
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Postby ANTDrakko » Wed Jul 28, 2004 1:40 pm

I meant that you have audience, creator, AND single judging all in convention. Expo, pro, and masters.

As far as everyone seeing the videos, thats why most, not all, conventions have seperate "overflow" screenings so that each entry is shown . To my knowledge, a lot of conventions trim down to entries to finalists, then showcase those finalists.

The question at hand is who judges the finalists. I understand that you can't get everyone to watch ALL the videos to narrow it down, thats why [using Otakon for example] everyone that entered was invited to kinda trim the entries out to the finalists.

I can't think of anything else to say, plus I'm @ work.

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Postby MCWagner » Wed Jul 28, 2004 2:37 pm

ANTDrakko wrote:I meant that you have audience, creator, AND single judging all in convention. Expo, pro, and masters.

As far as everyone seeing the videos, thats why most, not all, conventions have seperate "overflow" screenings so that each entry is shown . To my knowledge, a lot of conventions trim down to entries to finalists, then showcase those finalists.

The question at hand is who judges the finalists. I understand that you can't get everyone to watch ALL the videos to narrow it down, thats why [using Otakon for example] everyone that entered was invited to kinda trim the entries out to the finalists.

I can't think of anything else to say, plus I'm @ work.

~Seen


Ah, but you see, that's the difference. For us, every entry is a finalist. (Or, more accurately, there are no finalists.) We have 3 hours worth of winners to show.

I'm not completely familiar with Otakon's judging process. (Never been.) How is everyone able to trim down the entries to come up with the finalists? I was under the impression that the finalist list was made up before the convention?

(Yeah, I'm at work too...)
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Postby ANTDrakko » Wed Jul 28, 2004 3:00 pm

This year, I think only this year too, they had pre-screenings that each person who entered a video was invited to. I think they had about 4-5 seperate ones in different locations each time so that people could go see @ least 1 prescreening and put in their 2 cents. Sorry I didn't explain that before :oops:

Anywho, 3 hours of winners? Heh, interesting. I'de get into how people actually stay the full 3 hours and look through all of them etc. etc., but then that of course, would be another topic. They did discuss that a bit in the "Otakon 2004 Finalists" thread, though, if yah wanna take a look @ come voting opinions.

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I'll continue this later.....the MAN is watching us (at work) 0_o.

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Postby EBwiz » Wed Jul 28, 2004 3:05 pm

ANTDrakko wrote:Anywho, 3 hours of winners? Heh, interesting. I'de get into how people actually stay the full 3 hours and look through all of them etc. etc., but then that of course, would be another topic. They did discuss that a bit in the "Otakon 2004 Finalists" thread, though, if yah wanna take a look @ come voting opinions.


I've been to Otakon 2 years in a row, and I've sat through 3 hours of winners both times. It's just that enjoyable.
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Postby MCWagner » Wed Jul 28, 2004 3:38 pm

EBwiz wrote:
ANTDrakko wrote:Anywho, 3 hours of winners? Heh, interesting. I'de get into how people actually stay the full 3 hours and look through all of them etc. etc., but then that of course, would be another topic. They did discuss that a bit in the "Otakon 2004 Finalists" thread, though, if yah wanna take a look @ come voting opinions.


I've been to Otakon 2 years in a row, and I've sat through 3 hours of winners both times. It's just that enjoyable.


Wait...3 hours of winners? Do you mean finalists? Or winners and runner-ups? I hunted back through the archives, and for 2003, they only listed five winners. With honorable mentions and runners-up, there's 15 vids total. At five minutes each, that makes 75 minutes, not 180. What am I missing?

Again, not being sarcastic, I really don't know, not having ever been able to make it to Otakon.

(PS, technically, our main showing is winners + 3/4 of Masters' = 3 hours.)
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Postby EBwiz » Wed Jul 28, 2004 3:40 pm

Winners = Finalists.

Sorry, my fault. ^_^
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Postby madmallard » Wed Jul 28, 2004 8:21 pm

when you say 'overflow' to us. . that means too many people in the room, not too many enteries in the contest. ;p

and as far as a creator doing this 'for the audience,' thats a whole `nother can of worms we got the lid on about 5 years ago. :wink:
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