THE GREAT NOOB TOURNY OF 2004

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Postby TobinHood » Tue May 25, 2004 12:06 pm

J. Alana you're not getting the point at all. It doesn't matter if you've been here for 2 months or 4 years, what shows in your amvs is your skills as an editor, not how long you've been here. You will be praised for making a good video even if you only joined today and you will get crapped on for making a piece of shit even if you joined when the org started.

What makes a Pro is skill, not length of time being here.
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Postby dongster138 » Tue May 25, 2004 12:11 pm

man, this turned into an ugly thread....
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Postby J.Alana » Tue May 25, 2004 12:12 pm

A contest needs credibility to be a success??

Explain that little remark if you woud....
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Postby J.Alana » Tue May 25, 2004 12:15 pm

What makes a Pro is skill, not length of time being here.


YES! You are right. Thats what I am trying to say. Newbie AMV Creators can be pro's. However, I've seen many put down because they are new and have been told "you don't have enough experience to comment."

That is what this contest is about.

Here's what it boils down to. If you want to enter, fine. If you don't want to enter, don't. If you want to bitch and moan and cry because you don't like something, goodie for you. If you want to flame and be unreasonable then fine do so.

The contest is going to go on. I don't care if you like it or don't like it. I don't care what you say or don't say.

This contest will go on

Take that and do with it what you will.

Booyah!
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Postby TobinHood » Tue May 25, 2004 12:17 pm

J.Alana wrote:What makes a Pro is skill, not length of time being here.


YES! You are right. Thats what I am trying to say. Newbie AMV Creators can be pro's. However, I've seen many put down because they are new and have been told "you don't have enough experience to comment."

That is what this contest is about.

Here's what it boils down to. If you want to enter, fine. If you don't want to enter, don't. If you want to bitch and moan and cry because you don't like something, goodie for you. If you want to flame and be unreasonable then fine do so.

The contest is going to go on. I don't care if you like it or don't like it. I don't care what you say or don't say.

This contest will go on

Take that and do with it what you will.

Booyah!


If you don't care then stop responding to everything implying that you do care.
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Postby trythil » Tue May 25, 2004 12:22 pm

J.Alana wrote:A contest needs credibility to be a success??

Explain that little remark if you woud....


This isn't a hard concept if you think about it for five minutes.

The point of a contest is to grant recognition to the best. This is obvious, and this is what you have stated.

Recognition is nothing if it is granted by an entity without the credibility to grant that recognition. This should have been obvious before, and I hope it's blindingly obvious now.

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Your contest is free to go on, and people are still free to enter it.

However, I think it's been sufficiently discredited by now.
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Postby J.Alana » Tue May 25, 2004 12:30 pm

"Recognition is nothing if it is granted by an entity without the credibility to grant that recognition. This should have been obvious before, and I hope it's blindingly obvious now."

oooo, what a nasty little comment you made!

As I said, I am not the only person running the tourny. I just happen to be the person answering the most questions.

The contest will be judged by a panel of well known AMV makers who I feel fit the mold of the word "pro." Since I am devoting time to be an organizer along with four other people, I am not judging. The rules and regulations were decided by those four, myself amoung them.

I'm not arguing this point with you any longer. This contest will go on. You either have the option to shut up or continue to complain which will fall upon deaf ears.

Which is it going to be?
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Postby Bote » Tue May 25, 2004 12:46 pm

People, just let the contest go it's way and the way the creator of it wants it to be. If it fails, then Alana will have to admit that she was wrong. Neither of you will get anything nor loose anything if this contest doesn't succeed. By these rules I can enter right :P? I'll finish my new video soon and most likely enter. It'll be a shocking release fer sure 8) .
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Postby Bote » Tue May 25, 2004 12:59 pm

One question though:

How can Kakarot 420 be a "pro" judge? Seeing his video I don't actually think that's a "pro" video (nothing personal, just a notice) or that those are "pro" skills :?. What if you get an entry that obviously shows more skill than anyone of the judges's videos? What are you gonna do then? Who are the other judges btw? AD, Koop, JBone?
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Postby kain2983 » Tue May 25, 2004 1:00 pm

Whats the point of competing if you are not competing against the best
When you are new you aren't supposed to win contest (unless you are make really good videos) But you enter them so they can help you learn from your mistakes.
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Postby dongster138 » Tue May 25, 2004 1:05 pm

i think there's entirely way too much shit-giving for this to be any good, if everyone would just shut up, it'd prolly work out ok.....they can wing it along the way.....IT'S THE BEST WAY!!! lol
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Postby J.Alana » Tue May 25, 2004 1:07 pm

Kakorot 420 is one of the organizers.

The judges are going to be announced shortly.
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Postby Castor Troy » Tue May 25, 2004 1:10 pm

My 2 cents.

While I'm not against this contest in any way, I would like to say that almost any real amv contest at major conventions are open to ANYBODY, noobs and "pros" alike.

It's by nature that anyone with experience will definitely have an advantage over people who don't. Sorry, that's just the way the world works, not just in amvs, but in sports, video games, poetry, pie eating, etc...

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So if you fit this criteria, guess what....NO GO!!!!

Booyah!


I do sense a ting of bitterness from that alone :?

Newbie amv creators have as much chance of getting their videos shown like anyone else at most established conventions. Otakon, AWA, and Akon for example are 3 huge conventions that show nearly everything. I know you want to help newbies get exposure and that's perfectly fine...

But the fact is that newbies do have chances to get exposure and they are not looked down on or oppressed as much as you think. Just because a few newbies are opposed on the .org, doesn't mean they're opposed everywhere. I kinda see where you want to go with this contest but any noob that takes the effort to improve and works hard will be ok.

Like everyone else has been saying, noobs have as much chance to make it out there as everybody else. So don't worry...

noobs will be ok :wink:
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Postby Castor Troy » Tue May 25, 2004 1:13 pm

btw..

The contest seems fine and all but you might wanna change your motivations for running it.
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Postby Scintilla » Tue May 25, 2004 1:39 pm

trythil wrote:How does this contest give newbies more recognition than any other contest? Your reasons so far have been nothing but empty hand-waving. I would think that a newbie would have much more to gain, and nothing more to lose, by entering a more prestigious, established contest such as <b>Otakon's or AWA Pro / AWA Expo.</b>

Having entered both Otakon and the AWA Expo last year (= my first year on the Org), I fully support this statement. :)
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