Getting around VOB sizes: alternatives to a new hard drive?

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Re: Getting around VOB sizes: alternatives to a new hard dri

Postby aznfs » Wed Apr 28, 2004 12:13 am

Scintilla wrote:
aznfs wrote:and even if u were goin to place vobs in u're hard drive <b>u should change them to huffyuv first</b>, it would make the file much bigger but u can still edit it with all the editing programs...

WTH? You can't convert VOBs to HuffYUV without ripping them to the hard drive first. And A.H. said that s/he isn't one to plan out videos beforehand to the extent that s/he knows what clips will be needed, so making HuffYUV clips wouldn't be much help, methinks. And besides, the consideration here is space, and HuffY files are huge, even compared to VOBs -- you said yourself that they're much bigger.

That said, my only suggestion really is to figure out what chapters you can really do without, and don't rip them...


sorry i meant after decyrpting them unto the hard drive and convert.... and yes i do select my chapters too, like opening and ending credits take off some time and space
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Postby A.H. » Wed Apr 28, 2004 7:03 am

bum wrote:ok, here's what i do. rip the bov's to your hard disk. then convert them to a low quality divx (like 50MB totoal size, use the fastest quality/speed ratio). then rename the file something like lain01_vts_01_1 (as in, animename_vobname) . do that for all the vobs then delete them. do your amv in whatever editor. then delete thoughs source files (or move them to another folder). take note of what files you used and then rip the vob's used into the folder where the original divx files we're. open your video editor, it should automaticaly reconstruct the amv with the vob files. so thier ya go, problem solved :D .


I already do this method. And yes, ripping the vobs one by one then making low-quality AVIs then deleting the VOB and moving onto the next one would be great. But the problem is that when the editing is all done, all of the VOB files I ripped need to be on the hard drive at once. Which in my case can't be done.

Guess I'll give that VOB cutter a try.
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Postby Scintilla » Wed Apr 28, 2004 10:24 am

A.H. wrote:But the problem is that when the editing is all done, all of the VOB files I ripped need to be on the hard drive at once.

Well, only if you use footage from every single episode/chapter/whatever unit each of your AVS scripts covers.
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Postby the Black Monarch » Tue May 04, 2004 5:50 pm

CHEAP-ASS METHOD:

Step 1) Do the thing with the temporary DivX files, except make them MJPEG or something instead, because Premiere doesn't like DivX or XviD.

Step 2) Play with video until you have all the scenes picked and placed.

Step 3) When you are finished editing your video, rip an episode, make DVD2AVI project file and AVS file and everything, load into Vdub, and export the clips that you need with a lossless codec like Huffy.

Step 4) Begin the painstaking process of replacing your MJPEG clips with Huffy clips one at a time.

MUCH BETTER METHOD:

Buy a 120GB, 7200 RPM hard drive, preferably a Maxtor with the SATA interface. Maxtor is the shiznot.
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Postby bum » Tue May 04, 2004 9:46 pm

meh, mjpeg still gets files around 2gigs per epp. if ya ed up using all the vob files. after doing what i told ya before, instead of using vob's to replace it, reconvert the files to a high quality divx (vegas has no problem whith them :P and with premier, as long as ya dont actualy do any editing it should be fine) and just replace them, like you would have doen with the vob. the only issue with this is that itl take time converting loads of vobs to high quality divx. then again, ya can do a whole bunch while ya go out or something with vdubmods batch procesing function
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Postby Tsunami Jones » Tue May 04, 2004 10:20 pm

You said you have what? 28 gigs of free space? That's more than I have. Instead of putting the VOB files of an entire series on you hardrive at once, why not instead go 1 DVD at a time? I just go through each VOB file and get the clips that I might need or I think are cool, and then once I'm done I delete the VOB files from that DVD and go on to the next one.
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Postby madbunny » Tue May 04, 2004 10:56 pm

And so we've come full circle to the whole concept of "plan it out".

When you see one of those mega projects from say, dokidoki, or Absolute Destiny, or whoever, that use 15 different anime you can be pretty sure that they didn't waste time ripping 15 entire series, or 60 disks onto the HD just to make sure they have everything. (probably)

Do this: Rip the whole dvd onto your hard drive in small segments, say 50 meg chunks. go through all of them and delete the stuff you don't need. This will unsurprisingly be MOST of the disk. This will likely leave you with a couple hundred meg of pertinent footage. Repeat this process with each and every disk that you are using.

If you have a burner, you can burn them to the cd, and have 600meg chunks of .vob files. That way you can delete the stuff on your hard drive and replace it easily when you are done.

Use the bait and switch method. I personally like to use Mjpeg, at a high quality, as it gives a very good representation of what your final project will look like when you are done. You could also theoritically just use the Mjpeg as your final if you have it clean enough. Xvid compression is going to degrade your final output slightly enyway, so you may never even notice.

Just remember this maxim: Your video can only be 7 minutes long. (as a general rule) so you REALLY only need about 7 minutes of footage right? Right. In reality it's not that simple, but think about it.

Work with what you got. People have been making awesome videos on computers slower and with less space than you have for a long time.
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Postby dokidoki » Wed May 05, 2004 5:45 pm

madbunny wrote:When you see one of those mega projects from say, dokidoki, or Absolute Destiny, or whoever, that use 15 different anime you can be pretty sure that they didn't waste time ripping 15 entire series, or 60 disks onto the HD just to make sure they have everything. (probably)

For my CCS video (CCS is over a dozen DVDs), I ripped a bunch of DVDs to my HD, used MPEG2Cut (perhaps there's a better tool by now) to cut out the parts that looked interesting, deleted the original DVD VOBs, and repeated until I gone through all the DVDs. The thing is, though, making D2Vs and AVSs for several hundred files is really cumbersome, so I automated it.

http://www.doki.ca/misc/avsthing/

Description of files:
DVD2AVI176CommandLine105.zip: A commandline version of DVD2AVI. Note, however that this version drops a few frames from the beginning and/or end of the file. You may prefer to use Donald Graft's newer version with fixes. (but be consistent!)
avs.exe: AVS/D2V generation program.
avs.c: Code for the AVS/D2V generation program.
sleep.exe: Program that lets a script sleep/pause for a while.
cygwin1.zip: Needed by sleep.exe. You can get a whole batch of UNIX utilities that run in Windows from Cygwin.

How to use:
Generate a list of your VOB files. I stick them all, and the tools above, in a directory (say C:\video) and in the directory do this:

dir /on /b *.vob >list.txt
(create the list of VOB files)

avs C:\video <list.txt >d2v.bat
(create an AVS file for each VOB file, and a batch file to create the D2V files)

d2v
(create the D2V files)

Note: It's designed for small VOB files. The sleep commands in the batch file prevent dvd2avi from running again immediately and taking up resources. (I brought my machine down the first time, not realising that DVD2AVI returned control to the commandline right away)
You may want to change the AVS file generated. Simply change the source and recompile. :)
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Postby the Black Monarch » Thu May 13, 2004 12:31 am

Of course, with hard drive space often going for less than a dollar per gig, you're probably better off just getting a new hard drive.
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Postby bum » Wed May 19, 2004 5:33 am

this topic is good. i say it should be stickied
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Postby AMVfreak » Sun Jun 13, 2004 5:07 pm

sneak out of the house in the middle of the night, go to the nearest computer store and buy a hard drive with your birthday money.
install it in the computer during the night and convince your parents your birthday money got 'stolen' in the morning
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Postby jasper-isis » Sun Jun 13, 2004 7:15 pm

I definitely feel ya. I'm on a 300-something mHz CPU with 7.5 gigs of space on my biggest hard drive. A two-minute project takes me over half an hour to export. Good thing I have some sort of patience. :P

Planning is definitely the key. You're probably already familiar with the bait-and-switch method. If your project isn't too complicated, then you can export the timeline one track at a time (with each track being devoted to a DVD). Export to Huffyuv, delete all extraneous files, then load all the Huffyuv files back into your editing program. You can then edit these to regain your transitions and such.

If you really think about it though, this method can get pretty tricky, so make sure you know what you're doing...
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Postby LightningCountX » Fri Jun 18, 2004 7:07 pm

Kalium wrote:Sir Lagsalot has a codec in Software that's significantly smaller than Huffy. It's just slower.


i used that codec and the files were bigger than huffyuv's =\
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Postby RichLather » Wed Jul 07, 2004 4:28 pm

Western Digital 80GB hard drvies are only $62 nowadays, and bound to get lower in price with time. Mow a few lawns or something. Start saving up!
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Postby klinky » Thu Jul 08, 2004 3:19 am

Yeah I dun think this is a sticky worthy thread. AMVs cost money to produce, buy a bigger hard drive or plan your AMV and be prepared for a lot of disc swaping...
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