UncleMilo wrote: Since he didn't get the TV series, he thinks anyone who claims they did are liars and on drugs.
No, not everyone. Only you.
And although it toook me quite some time, I must "get" the TV series a HELL of a lot better than you do, because it is repeatedly and explicitly stated that Unit 01 is based on Lillith and all the other Evas are based on Adam, but you have somehow managed to avoid noticing such things. I also have been hanging around the AnimeNation forums a lot, and those guys have concept art scans and working knowledge of Japanese and lots of other cool stuff, and I've been learning a lot from there... It turns out that for whatever reason, there's a 15-km-wide particle collider only a few miles northeast of Tokyo-3. And Rei has a washing machine located outdoors, on her balcony (meaning she probably never uses it). It's amazing how much useless knowledge there is pertaining to this show...
UncleMilo wrote:I rely on my human ability to reach conclusions based on the information provided. You know... if A is greater than B and B is greater than C, one can assume that A is greater than C even if no one actually tells you this.
Actually, so far you've been relying on your ability to pull half of what you say out of your ass, and get the other half by misinterpreting lines and jumping to conclusions.
UncleMilo wrote:Rei is a clone of Yui - This is explained in the show. Why do I need to prove it?
Because it's NOT explained in the show. In fact, the idea of a Yui/Rei connection is hinted at in only the most vague and questionable of ways. I'll even go through the list for you:
Ep15 - Shinji has just found out that Rei knows he was staring at her. He says that he believes she would make a good mother based on the way she squeezed a rag. Shinji could be telling the truth, but unless he has some wierd oedipal rag fetish, chances are he's scrambling to come up with an explanation for his behavior other than that he has feelings for her.
Ep21 - Dr. Naoko Agaki says that Rei looks a lot like Yui, an observation that obviously has nothing
to do with the fact that they have the same haircut and bears absolutely no resemblance to when Shinji said the exact same line about Ritsuko and Misato in Ep08. Anyway, few minutes later, when she's talking to Rei, she starts seeing the world in tie-dye colors and at funky angles, and chucks herself off a very high ledge. It's not terribly difficult to figure out that she is having some kind of psychotic episode.
Some other episode - Shinji is laying in bed, and he compares Rei to his mother. This is, IMO, the strongest evidence so far of the connection, or at least it would be if not for the context: Shinji is comparing his father's manipulation of Rei to his father's possible manipulation of his mother (in the past or in Unit 01, it's not clear which). Case solved.
And that's just about all the evidence. Unless you can point me to a line where someone says "Hey Shinji! She's a clone of your mum!" or "Gee, my romantic attraction to Ikari-kun seems strangely tempered by maternal instinct," I'm going to have to reserve judgement on the issue.
UncleMilo wrote:Rei is revealed as being linked with the Angels in the show. She even gives off a registration of being an Angel in the TV show. One can reach the conclusion that she's connected to Lilith. This becomes evident in the EoE movie (even though I don't care for the movie) when Lilith welcomes back Rei as Lilith absorbs Rei. - Since it's shown, why do I need to prove it? Therefore, for Rei to be both these things, she is obviously a clone made up of material from Yui and Lilith. Simple deduction there.
"Rei has some conveniently unspecified connection to Lillith and may or may not have a similarly unspecified connection to Yui; therefore, she is obviously a clone of both at the same time, even though such a thing is completely impossible and steps outside the definition of cloning"
Yeah, that makes sense.
UncleMilo wrote:Black Monarch claims to be an expert on the show, but then accuses me of taking drugs because I thought the show was straight forward and that the movie was confusing... and his argument was that the TV show made no sense. So, if it made no sense to him, how can he claim to be an expert or that people who understood the show don't know what they're talking about?
Well, since I never claimed to be an expert, and I accused you of being on drugs for completely different reasons from the ones you specified, and I came to completely different conclusions from the ones that you accused me of coming to, your whole paragraph there holds about as much water as a correctly oriented umbrella.
UncleMilo wrote:I consider myself well versed in the show and anything I say is backed up by the information I have found in the show combined with knowledge related to the themes in the show. It still might be wrong, but I don't just pull things out of the air and make them up.
Yes, you do. I believe the point about Kaworu being a clone of Adam has already been addressed by the others, and now I've taken care of the rest of your not-even-half-baked conclusions.
Thanks for playing, though.
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