Evangelion Episode 23 Director's Cut proves the following...

[Kalium]

It is Eva. It doesn't need to make real-world sense.

[HeartbreakerByZep]

It is Eva. It doesn't need to make real-world sense.

True, but it can, so why not?

[Kalium]

It is Eva. It doesn't need to make real-world sense.

True, but it can, so why not?

It takes more effort on the part of the creaters for it to.

[the Black Monarch]

Since he didn't get the TV series, he thinks anyone who claims they did are liars and on drugs.

No, not everyone. Only you.

And although it toook me quite some time, I must "get" the TV series a HELL of a lot better than you do, because it is repeatedly and explicitly stated that Unit 01 is based on Lillith and all the other Evas are based on Adam, but you have somehow managed to avoid noticing such things. I also have been hanging around the AnimeNation forums a lot, and those guys have concept art scans and working knowledge of Japanese and lots of other cool stuff, and I've been learning a lot from there... It turns out that for whatever reason, there's a 15-km-wide particle collider only a few miles northeast of Tokyo-3. And Rei has a washing machine located outdoors, on her balcony (meaning she probably never uses it). It's amazing how much useless knowledge there is pertaining to this show...

I rely on my human ability to reach conclusions based on the information provided. You know... if A is greater than B and B is greater than C, one can assume that A is greater than C even if no one actually tells you this.

Actually, so far you've been relying on your ability to pull half of what you say out of your ass, and get the other half by misinterpreting lines and jumping to conclusions.

Rei is a clone of Yui - This is explained in the show. Why do I need to prove it?

Because it's NOT explained in the show. In fact, the idea of a Yui/Rei connection is hinted at in only the most vague and questionable of ways. I'll even go through the list for you:
Ep15 - Shinji has just found out that Rei knows he was staring at her. He says that he believes she would make a good mother based on the way she squeezed a rag. Shinji could be telling the truth, but unless he has some wierd oedipal rag fetish, chances are he's scrambling to come up with an explanation for his behavior other than that he has feelings for her.
Ep21 - Dr. Naoko Agaki says that Rei looks a lot like Yui, an observation that obviously has nothing to do with the fact that they have the same haircut and bears absolutely no resemblance to when Shinji said the exact same line about Ritsuko and Misato in Ep08. Anyway, few minutes later, when she's talking to Rei, she starts seeing the world in tie-dye colors and at funky angles, and chucks herself off a very high ledge. It's not terribly difficult to figure out that she is having some kind of psychotic episode.
Some other episode - Shinji is laying in bed, and he compares Rei to his mother. This is, IMO, the strongest evidence so far of the connection, or at least it would be if not for the context: Shinji is comparing his father's manipulation of Rei to his father's possible manipulation of his mother (in the past or in Unit 01, it's not clear which). Case solved.

And that's just about all the evidence. Unless you can point me to a line where someone says "Hey Shinji! She's a clone of your mum!" or "Gee, my romantic attraction to Ikari-kun seems strangely tempered by maternal instinct," I'm going to have to reserve judgement on the issue.

Rei is revealed as being linked with the Angels in the show. She even gives off a registration of being an Angel in the TV show. One can reach the conclusion that she's connected to Lilith. This becomes evident in the EoE movie (even though I don't care for the movie) when Lilith welcomes back Rei as Lilith absorbs Rei. - Since it's shown, why do I need to prove it? Therefore, for Rei to be both these things, she is obviously a clone made up of material from Yui and Lilith. Simple deduction there.

"Rei has some conveniently unspecified connection to Lillith and may or may not have a similarly unspecified connection to Yui; therefore, she is obviously a clone of both at the same time, even though such a thing is completely impossible and steps outside the definition of cloning"

Yeah, that makes sense.

Black Monarch claims to be an expert on the show, but then accuses me of taking drugs because I thought the show was straight forward and that the movie was confusing... and his argument was that the TV show made no sense. So, if it made no sense to him, how can he claim to be an expert or that people who understood the show don't know what they're talking about?

Well, since I never claimed to be an expert, and I accused you of being on drugs for completely different reasons from the ones you specified, and I came to completely different conclusions from the ones that you accused me of coming to, your whole paragraph there holds about as much water as a correctly oriented umbrella.

I consider myself well versed in the show and anything I say is backed up by the information I have found in the show combined with knowledge related to the themes in the show. It still might be wrong, but I don't just pull things out of the air and make them up.

Yes, you do. I believe the point about Kaworu being a clone of Adam has already been addressed by the others, and now I've taken care of the rest of your not-even-half-baked conclusions.

Thanks for playing, though.

[LittleKefalos]

Ok seeing as everyone ignored my previous statements due to the greater desire to bicker.... oh well..... I have a simpler question/statement/idea etc. whatever you want to be.

Unless it was a mistake by the animators, which it very well could be...
We see Rei cry inside her Eva unit 0 just before she "sacrifices" herself to save Shinji. The point is she cries.
However she is supposedly in LCL so she shouldn't be able to cry liquid tears which fall and form on her legs and around her eyes like liquid would in a gas, not in another liquid (unless we are to ignore the laws of the physical world).
So thus either a mistake was made by the animators, or Rei's unit 0 Eva does not have LCL in it during this episode (it is clear that she usually has LCL).
Which means that Rei can pilot the Eva without LCL? Much like Kawouro (don't know the spelling) pilots unit 2 without being in physical contact with it or how Shinji does the same on a few occaisons (unless it is his mother protecting him).

So what do you guys think is it a mistake or rather an intentional revelation? If it was intentional doesn't anyone at Nerv notice that she doesn't have LCL in her Eva? What's going on?

[LittleKefalos]

Oh I forgot to mention, my previous post is relevent to what is being talked about because of the question about Rei's true nature.

[Tab.]

Most likely a mistake. In Ep 18, Shinji gets in his Eva in his school uniform, but in Ep 19, when they're trying to recover him, it's his plug suit that's floating in the LCL. Similar kind of simple mistake.

[Daio Kaji]

Unless it was a mistake by the animators, which it very well could be...
We see Rei cry inside her Eva unit 0 just before she "sacrifices" herself to save Shinji. The point is she cries.
However she is supposedly in LCL so she shouldn't be able to cry liquid tears which fall and form on her legs and around her eyes like liquid would in a gas, not in another liquid (unless we are to ignore the laws of the physical world).
So thus either a mistake was made by the animators, or Rei's unit 0 Eva does not have LCL in it during this episode (it is clear that she usually has LCL).

...it's LCL, it's always there, it's a fake substance, just so you don't just skim over my post, it's FAKE
so we can't just assume we know the chemical makeup of Lillith's blood (LCL) (angel blood)
since we don't know the makeup of angel blood, i think it's safe for the show animators to take creative liberties and make it possible for non-LCL material (including liquids) to fall freely through LCL as if it weren't there, after all, the pilots simply can't control the evas without the LCL interface, it's the purpose of LCL... unless ur a full breed angel like Kaoru

Which means that Rei can pilot the Eva without LCL? Much like Kawouro (don't know the spelling) pilots unit 2 without being in physical contact with it

Rei does not appear to have (probably cause she doesn't have) the ability to control an eva without being in physical contact with it... Kaoru can do it most likely because he IS an angel.. kinda like a higher power... better than a halfling

or how Shinji does the same on a few occaisons (unless it is his mother protecting him).

shinji doesn't do the same thing... it's his mum all those times

So what do you guys think is it a mistake or rather an intentional revelation? If it was intentional doesn't anyone at Nerv notice that she doesn't have LCL in her Eva? What's going on?

it's a mistake (possibly) of the show... LCL is not a clear substance, i'm pretty darn sure (and no black monarch.. i don't have proof of this) that the entry plugs have special lighting in them that allow the pilot to see through the LCL in order to actually see the display screens

either way, the LCL is there, but it'd be pointless to have the pilots looking directly at blood, so the series makes it possible for the pilots to see through the LCL

[Tab.]

Ah, don't forget that in EoE Asuka bleeds freely through the LCL, so apparently the animators took no regard for its liquid properties most of the time.

[SS5_Majin_Bebi]

Ah, don't forget that in EoE Asuka bleeds freely through the LCL, so apparently the animators took no regard for its liquid properties most of the time.

Plus if the LCL pressure/density is less than that of water or blood, its quite possible for other liquid drops to form and move about, usually down.