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Postby Akashio » Wed Aug 28, 2002 6:43 pm

How could people possibly work with avisynth in premiere?? I mean, NOTHING is in realtime! It's so frustrating and time consuming! Am I just doing something wrong, here?
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Postby klinky » Wed Aug 28, 2002 6:47 pm

Really PC video editing is not realtime ever, unless you get a Realtime card like the DV500 or RT2500, something like that.

Unless you're working @ 320x240 with low kwality mjpeg, it's really not going to go ultra fast. Try adding a 'radial blur' to anything and it will most likely triple the render time :p


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Postby y2kwizard » Wed Aug 28, 2002 6:51 pm

But WOW converting the .avs file to a low quality .avi in VirtualDub sure does make it go a lot faster. It's insane.
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Postby klinky » Wed Aug 28, 2002 6:55 pm

Yes depending on your computer ;)


I don't like swaping sources around later on, I like editing with the source I am going to export with. I usually get maybe around 0.3 - 20fps when using a AVISynth script, depending on the effects I am using.I have a 1.4Ghz Athlon XP processor.

If I use a low quality file, possibly a effect will come out looking different in the final encode, then how it looked when I was editing with it(not likely but you never know).


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Postby Akashio » Wed Aug 28, 2002 9:35 pm

klinky wrote:Try adding a 'radial blur' to anything and it will most likely triple the render time :p


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ya... why is that exactly? whats so hard about a radial blur for the computer!??
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Postby klinky » Wed Aug 28, 2002 10:26 pm

Akashio wrote:
klinky wrote:Try adding a 'radial blur' to anything and it will most likely triple the render time :p


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ya... why is that exactly? whats so hard about a radial blur for the computer!??


I think because it resamples the pixels a billion times :p

It basicaly applies multiple layers of blurs to your image.


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Postby Akashio » Wed Aug 28, 2002 10:29 pm

klinky wrote:
Akashio wrote:
klinky wrote:Try adding a 'radial blur' to anything and it will most likely triple the render time :p


~klinky


ya... why is that exactly? whats so hard about a radial blur for the computer!??


I think because it resamples the pixels a billion times :p

It basicaly applies multiple layers of blurs to your image.


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ah... nice theory! QUOTE WAR!
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Postby alternatefutures » Wed Aug 28, 2002 11:20 pm

Actually, doesn't Premiere 6.5 have realtime editing without additional hardware? Granted, depending on your processor the quality suffers to varrying degrees, but still.
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Postby klinky » Wed Aug 28, 2002 11:48 pm

alternatefutures wrote:Actually, doesn't Premiere 6.5 have realtime editing without additional hardware? Granted, depending on your processor the quality suffers to varrying degrees, but still.


That's a "selling point", but my tests show it sucks. I had real-time previews while doing the tests ;)

AVISynth files are processed by Premiere faster when doing a real-time preview, then a imported m2v file.


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Postby alternatefutures » Thu Aug 29, 2002 12:32 am

BTW klinky, what's your PC's processor? I know that the RTP would suck on my venerable PIII 550, but then again, a lot of stuff sucks on my PC ^_^
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Postby klinky » Thu Aug 29, 2002 3:32 am

1.4Ghz Athlon XP w/ 1280MB ram ;)


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Postby mckeed » Fri Aug 30, 2002 12:24 pm

i ahve the rt2500 and it does its job decently.......i have a 1.33 ghz athlon witgh 512mb ddr tram and i got a 180GB RAID stripped raid array to keep up with the capture.

Be warned though.....you need to be using the matrox codec for realtime to work.....not a problem really though....since you can interchange the avs files with the matrox avi's....so you can use the codecs for reatime and then swap-over to the avs for final export. But you need to be working in 30fps though.
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Postby ErMaC » Fri Aug 30, 2002 1:04 pm

Mckeed the same thing applies with the DV500, however what I do is I just don't work in realtime. I simply edit with the AVS files and drop them onto the timeline, hit enter, and let premiere render them. Then I can see them on my video output monitor. The preview renders are very fast since they're hardware assisted, and it's not a really big deal waiting the few seconds it takes to render scenes most of the time.

The problem with making realtime intermediary files is they would just be too damn huge. There's no way I could fit all 26 episodes and 3 movies of Eva in DV on my hard drive AS WELL as the VOB files. Just the VOBs themselves take up 40 something gigs. In DV that could be around 4 to 5 times that size.
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Postby NicholasDWolfwood » Fri Aug 30, 2002 1:40 pm

Do you mean on your laptop, or on your home PC? If you mean your home PC, why can't you fit the DV files for the 26 eps and 3 movies of Eva plus the vob files? Don't you have 236GB of HD space?
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Postby ErMaC » Fri Aug 30, 2002 1:50 pm

First off, it's not like I have that much space _free_

Second, lets do the math:

26 episodes at, we'll say, 22 minutes a piece (to account for killing op&eds)

that's 26 x 22 x 60 x 3.6 / 1024 = 120.6GB

then we have 67 minutes for death and the 100 minutes for End of eva

167 x 60 x 3.6 / 1024 = 35.2GB

Now don't forget the four directors' cut episodes, along with the original Japanese versions of episodes 25 and 26 without the horrible english overlays:

6 x 22 x 60 x 3.6 / 1024 = 27.8GB

Don't forget the creditless opening:

90 x 3.6 / 1024 = 0.3GB

That gives us a total of 183.9GB. But wait! Don't forget the all the original VOBs which would have to be present as well! That brings another 43GB or so, for a grand total OF... drum roll please...

Approximately 227GB of Evangelion. I'm sorry, there's no way I can make that much space on my hard drives. Not a snowball's chance in hell.
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