Big Big Truck wrote:
Why not delete every reply in this thread and leave this one in?
MCWagner wrote:mexicanjunior wrote:[MOD359]Half the reason for the removal of the OT forums is that they were detracting from the rest of the site. Useful people were leaving because the OT forums were bringing in the kind of useless people which make the site unenjoyable for those who chose not to tolerate their shinanigans. Removing those people makes the site more useful, because more useful people will be around.
You know, originally I thought the main reason off topic was removed was because the mods were tired of babysitting the OT threads, which I can respect. Now that I see the main reason was because it pushed away former big name creators and Phade wanted them back...it makes me think it was removed for all the wrong reasons.![]()
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J-0080 wrote:Sure the mods may have a lot of stuff to do, sure they may have a lot of post to edit, or move, or delete even, but theres just one little thing to that.
It's their job!
A job that they're not even getting paid for I might add, you don't hear about volunteers at homeless shelters kicking people out because they don't feel like helping them all.
mexicanjunior wrote:MCWagner wrote:mexicanjunior wrote:
You know, originally I thought the main reason off topic was removed was because the mods were tired of babysitting the OT threads, which I can respect. Now that I see the main reason was because it pushed away former big name creators and Phade wanted them back...it makes me think it was removed for all the wrong reasons.![]()
I'm sorry, why can't there be two reasons for doing it?
There can be as many reasons as people would like to claim there is, I just think the one listed as an example above is more of a "us (AMV elite) against them (OT posters)" mentaility, which I feel is rather silly.Not everyone that posted in OT falls in the stereotype of spammer, nuisance, troublemaker, forum abuser that mods/Phade claim them to be.
J-0080 wrote:Sure the mods may have a lot of stuff to do, sure they may have a lot of post to edit, or move, or delete even, but theres just one little thing to that.
It's their job!
A job that they're not even getting paid for I might add, you don't hear about volunteers at homeless shelters kicking people out because they don't feel like helping them all.
MCWagner wrote:Homeless people don't have anywhere else to go. Therefore it's charity. Forum posters have a near-infinite number of other sites to visit. Therefore it's providing a privaledge.
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MCWagner wrote:Well, you may want to note that you're putting words in their mouths here. They say that the activity in OT was driving off "useful" members. You interpret "useful" to mean either "big name" or "elite". I took them to mean "people who weren't spamming, posting porn, or inciting flamewars." In other words, the people not acting like assholes. "Useful people were leaving because the OT forums were bringing in the kind of useless people which make the site unenjoyable for those who chose not to tolerate their shinanigans." They didn't say that all of the OT posters did that, they said that OT was bringing them in. Can you deny that OT has attracted some really annoying individuals? You see a division between the "elite" and "OT posters", I see the division between "complete assholes that've been banned multiple times who happen to hang out solely in OT" and "everyone else." We're not talking about the same groups.
mexicanjunior wrote:Annoying individuals can post on any number of different sections of the forums, saying OT was the sole reason for their presence and behavior doesn't seem fair to me. For every annoying person that posted in OT, others could be found in General Anime or General Music, why is one facet of the forums taking the brunt of the punishment and blame for it's downfall? Like I said though, I really have no stake in this either way, I just hate to see so many posters be marked as "undesirables" solely for the forum section they chose to post in. I do agree with most pro OT eliminators though in saying that it is Phade's toy and he can play with it any way he chooses.
MCWagner wrote:You're putting words in their mouths again. They didn't say that they're "undesireables" because of the forum they post in, they're saying that there are a lot of assholes in OT, not that all of them are. They're not saying that it was the sole reason for their presence, they're saying that facet is taking the fall, because it's the facet that keeps attracting new assholes. It's taking the brunt of the "punishment" because it's the biggest concentration of the problem. (Which you as much admit in your comment that "the mods were getting tired of babysitting the OT" was a good enough reason.) If there's moths in your honey, maybe you should turn off the lamp over it.
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