
BogoSort wrote:So I'm finding myself with plans to do an increasingly large number of video editing projects(many of them, amazingly enough, not amvs). i was wondering if any of you have experience with RT editing cards such as the Canopus DV Storm or the Matrix RT.X10 or RT.X100. Having done a bit of research, they both look to be quality products, however most articles about them tend to have bias one way or the other. Anyone actually use one of these products with sources ripped from DVD/have any comments about them otherwise?

BogoSort wrote:I suppose with one of these cards, one could just take DVD rips and convert them to DV and then do all of your editing in that. With the DV codecs on those, it should be really fast to do the conversion. It just has the drawback of being lower quality from the conversion, but from what I've seen through the (admitedly biased) articles, they look pretty reasonable.
Part of the motivation is that I'm probably going to be picking up a quality video capture device, such as the Canopus ADVC100, and thus a card like these would only be a couple hundred bucks more. Then again, part of the worry is that such a card would be obselete(or be pwned by driver issues) in a couple of months. I'm just seeing all of those DV500 owners who have just tossed them because they didn't scale with the computer speeds, and Pinnacle being nazis and forcing people to use their Software.
BogoSort wrote:I suppose with one of these cards, one could just take DVD rips and convert them to DV and then do all of your editing in that. With the DV codecs on those, it should be really fast to do the conversion. It just has the drawback of being lower quality from the conversion, but from what I've seen through the (admitedly biased) articles, they look pretty reasonable.
ErMaC wrote:Matrox seems to be fully behind Premiere and After Effects, you can ask Vlad about his experiences with his RT-whatever # he has. I'm stuck with my DV500 for now, but because none of these cards support using MPEG2 source properly, it's realtime capabilities have been moot for quite a while now. I only use it as a means to view my videos on an NTSC monitor.
TaranT wrote:Some of us work exclusively with DV footage. Theoretically, the video quality is lower, but I'm not sure many people can notice the difference.
I've been thinking about one of these Canopus devices, too, just to get my camcorder out of the capturing loop. (Either Canopus, or one that other companies are selling; e.g. ADS Tech.) But I'm not looking at a real-time card. Vegas is pretty good with real-time previewing: crossfades, opacity changes, simple effects are all previewed at or near the project framerate.
d-dubya wrote:Anyway, with DV footage, the card is marvelous. I was able to edit in realtime and preview everything on the fly. Even some of the "simple" effects and transitions could be previewed in realtime. Things like Cross-dissolve (my friend) and transparency settings. These are all fairly fundamental and it's a lot easier than rendering or the "ALT-scroll" method.
d-dubya wrote:Again, unfortunately, I have no idea how the thing works with DVD footage and the AVS methods listed in the guides, but hopefully something in here is useful. If it can't do what you need, I don't know about paying the hefty price on it (b/c it's REALLY expensive).
ErMaC wrote:Converting massive amounts of clips to DV is slow and cumbersome. And it eats up lotsa space. If I'm going to do clip conversions, I'd rather convert them to Huffyuv and keep it lossless.


BogoSort wrote:Right, my point was that if one really wanted to get every single bit of quality out of the source footage possible, one could presumably still do that. What I was more concerned about is editing flow. If you save half the time in the rendering of previews, you've massively increased the amount of work that you can do while editing. Actually, yes my current video editing method involves picking through the AVS file and exporting lots of little Huffy files of the clips that I see potential in using.

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