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Postby anime-dragon » Tue Oct 14, 2003 6:51 pm

ya it is good experiance, that is why i want to build it myself, and i really hope the every thing go well
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Postby jonmartensen » Tue Oct 14, 2003 6:55 pm

Pwolf wrote:well you probably wont fry anything unless you make a careless mistake. i'm not even sure why my mobo fried. i was just testing it outside of the case on it's antistatic bag and pop... i was very carfully also, so that just boggled my mind. the thing i've learn, building a computer can be very expensive... i don't want to discourage but if you really don't feel comfortable building it yourself cuase of the money and fear of screwing up, buy a prebuilt one. but if you are new to it, it's a great learning experiance, and i've learned a lot from building this computer, even though i've spent a lot of money and time getting it to work (mostly from the bad motherboards).


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Anti-static bags conduct electric charge. You probably bridged some circuits when you were testing the board outside of the case. I highly recomend you not apply power to anything that is not properly mounted and grounded. Also be sure you are grounded (or at least discharch yourself on the case) when you build you computer.
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Postby Pwolf » Tue Oct 14, 2003 7:02 pm

Yea, thats one the thing's i learned when building my comp... hehe i'll never do that again :P



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Postby madmag9999 » Tue Oct 14, 2003 8:04 pm

ok well since u guys seem to know so much about this i have sorta a big problem and maybe someone can help. i got my mobo and cpu and ram and everything i need to build my comp and i put it all togeather and then when i turn it on the screen is just blank. the vid card works couse i tested it on my other comp. the thing is getting power couse the fans spin and so does the hd and cd roms and stuff. the cpu is in correctly becouse i made sure i knew what i was doing when i put it in i even watched the movies on the amd site. the ram is in the correct slot and is in all the way. the only thing i can think of is the ram stick is bad or maybe the mobo itself has some issues. so what do u guys think?
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Postby Pwolf » Tue Oct 14, 2003 8:13 pm

well that was the problem i was having with my first mobo. i thought it was the ram at first. but then aftre testing it outside of the case, it worked fine. i talked to a tech from ASUS and he sad the case could be shorting. umm it could be the motherboard. or maybe not. lets see what others have to see, i am not very confident that is the problem worst case (i hope).. return the mobo and get a different one.


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Postby jonmartensen » Tue Oct 14, 2003 11:07 pm

Always check the basics first, because half the time it's the obvious that is the problem.


Check connections between the hard drive and mobo
Check that your vid card is properlly seated
Check that the connections is solid between the monitor cable and the vid card

Do you have more than one HD? Does the HD/s already have an OS installed on it?

Does your computer POST when you turn it on? (Power On Self Test) You should hear a beep or two when it turns on, if the mobo is good.
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Postby Pwolf » Tue Oct 14, 2003 11:55 pm

thats the major thing, if you hear the POST that can tell you if something wrong (or right). usually you will hear 1 beep if the POST found no problems (some motherboards are different tho). if you hear anything like multiple beeps or something else, that could mean a peice of hardware isn't working or installed wrong, so make sure everything is installed correctly.

You also might want to try and run the computer with only CPU, RAM and a video card (if you have an AGP card, try getting a PCI one and trying that. one of my motherboards had a bad agp slot). To see if will boot, since you only need those to boot a computer. if it does, then your most likely having a power issue (shorting off the case, or PSU wattage is too low, right?).



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Postby Pwolf » Tue Oct 14, 2003 11:57 pm

OH!! and i forgot one more thing!!! this happens a lot actually (well happened to me twice hehe...) on the powersupply you can change the input voltage (either 120 or 220?). make sure that is right. if you live in the US the voltage for a regular power socket is 120 (in most cases it is). so make sure to move that switch over if it is not 120 (it's located on the power supply next to where the power cable is plugged in, if you didn't know)



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Postby madmag9999 » Wed Oct 15, 2003 8:12 am

i disconnected all the drives to make sure they are not couseing problems and it still doesnt work. also it doesnt POST there are no beeps or anything. also i know that u can change the power im in the usa and it is on 120. the vid card and ram are seated properly i like quadruple checked. im thinking its a mobo problem since there is no beep at all.
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Postby jonmartensen » Wed Oct 15, 2003 8:55 am

No POSTing usually means an issue with the cpu or the mobo.
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Postby TorrensOdium » Wed Oct 15, 2003 1:48 pm

NicholasDWolfwood wrote:Get the 9200...there's little difference between for example the 9200 or 9600 Pro, or 9700 and 9800 Pro...talking about a 3-4fps difference here (in gaming)


ummm....yeah, right....you do know that the 9200 is like the MX version of the GeForce 4, a.k.a. the low-end consumer version? oh and it's not really a good idea to compare the 9700 and 9800 since they're based around different chipsets(R300 and R350 if i remember right...doubt i do) :\

don't buy the 9200 if you can help it...go for the 9600(great performance for the price)...go for the XT version too if you can afford it.

Hitori wrote:P4
Does the same as the XP and more money in their pockets. (cha-ching)
Runs everything just like an XP. (cha-ching)


then why doesn't the AthlonXP in my second comp run Premiere Pro, yet my friend's P4 can? you should really differeniate between the different AMD cores, since the Thoroughbred A/B cores(yes they still make/sell chips with these) don't support SSE/SSE2 instructions making it impossible to run programs that require these instructions. but i'm by no means bashing AMD...i swear by their processors and nVidia's nForce mobos.

and that 2800 is a nice chip, go for it.

madmag9999 wrote:ok well since u guys seem to know so much about this i have sorta a big problem and maybe someone can help. i got my mobo and cpu and ram and everything i need to build my comp and i put it all togeather and then when i turn it on the screen is just blank. the vid card works couse i tested it on my other comp. the thing is getting power couse the fans spin and so does the hd and cd roms and stuff. the cpu is in correctly becouse i made sure i knew what i was doing when i put it in i even watched the movies on the amd site. the ram is in the correct slot and is in all the way. the only thing i can think of is the ram stick is bad or maybe the mobo itself has some issues. so what do u guys think?


check to make sure that you mounted the motherboard correctly in the case....i had this problem with my new case when i put the board in, it turned out that the mobo was shorting out on the case itself....just had to put something between the bottom of the mobo and the mounting brackets. if that's not the problem, you may have purchased a faulty mobo, or even a dead processor :\
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Postby Pwolf » Wed Oct 15, 2003 2:45 pm

yea thats what i had to do (cuase my mobo was shorting off the case also)... but i never had the chance to really do that cauase the mobo fried shortly after i found out that good piece of info. hey, how do you put something on the mounting brackets anyway? wouldn't it just slide off when you try to get the mobo mounted? (never really tried but it looks like a pain in the ass...any tricks?


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Postby jonmartensen » Wed Oct 15, 2003 2:56 pm

Hmm? Should be easy, you just screw the board onto the mounts.
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Postby anime-dragon » Wed Oct 15, 2003 3:11 pm

then why doesn't the AthlonXP in my second comp run Premiere Pro, yet my friend's P4 can?


so ur saying that adobe premire pro doesnt work on AthlonXP? i thought AMD were good for editing softwares
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Postby TorrensOdium » Wed Oct 15, 2003 3:20 pm

you'll need an AthlonXP with a Palamino or Barton core...so anything marked 2400 and up will work fine....i was just using the fact that my brand new 2000 WON'T run premiere Pro, yet hitori said that XPs run exactly like P4s

but my point is, your 2800 will run Pro just fine, so don't worry about it
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