Surf Rock and Ska

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Surf Rock and Ska

Postby CaTaClYsM » Wed Aug 13, 2003 5:22 am

Is Surf Rock it's own type of music, or is it jsut a nickname for a type of ska?

Me and Jace went at it in the AIM channel for a few hours.

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http://www.theventures.com/biograph/biograp.htm

example one. The Ventures are THE staple Surf rock band. They started and defined their style on a chet atkins cover. Clearly have different root's from Ska.

http://www.surfrockmusic.com/bandlink.html

and then there is this. A list of surf rock bands. Another thing that seperates surf rock from ska is the fact that surf rock doesn't usually have lyrics. While ska typicaly does, (and ska has wind instrument's alot of the time.)

The few people I know who have heard of the mermen do not call them ska, but Surf Rock. Zerophite being one does not reffer to them as Ska.

Zerophite wrote:Surf Rock owns. I used to be a huge fan of "Man, or Astroman?", The Red Elvises, They Came From Above, The Mermen, and some random others long ago.


so what do the rest of you think?
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Postby CaTaClYsM » Wed Aug 13, 2003 5:26 am

PS, for examples of what surf rock sounds like go into the surfrockmusic.com list and click any random band, there should be demo tracks.
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Postby kthulhu » Wed Aug 13, 2003 5:28 am

I say surf rock and ska are two seperate things. There may be some overlap, but they are seperate entities nonetheless, in my book.

My rule of thumb:

If it has horns, it's probably ska. If it doesn't, it's something else.
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Postby CaTaClYsM » Wed Aug 13, 2003 5:41 am

My thing is that, on the surf rock web page it links to HUNDREDS of bands that call themselves surf rock, not ska.

Acorrding to dictionary.com ska originated from blues and jazz in Jamaca.
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Postby paizuri » Wed Aug 13, 2003 11:36 am

I've never heard of surf rock being called another nickname for ska. I think of them as two distinct styles.
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Postby NME » Wed Aug 13, 2003 2:40 pm

GODDAMNIT

SKA HAS BRASS

SURF ROCK HAS FUCKING GAY GUITARS WITH A BUNCH OF LAUGHING AND WEIRD CHORD PROGRESSIONS.

SHUT UP ANDY.
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Postby NME » Wed Aug 13, 2003 2:41 pm

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Postby Jace Tsunami » Wed Aug 13, 2003 4:52 pm

fact I'm not going to argue here:

Ska does not have to have windinstuments.

Everyone should reconsider what they're thinking with this in mind.
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Postby NME » Sat Aug 16, 2003 9:54 pm

Dictionary.com wrote:ska ( P ) (skä)
n.
Popular music originating in Jamaica in the 1960s, having elements of rhythm and blues, jazz, and calypso and marked by a fast tempo and a strongly accented offbeat.


Elements of rhythm and blues might mean winds or not. It's really open to interpretation. Although most bands I've seen advertising themselves or advertised as ska have been accompanied by brass wind instruments.
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Postby Jace Tsunami » Sat Aug 16, 2003 9:56 pm

yes, lots of ska bands have wind intruments. But again it's not the defining element.

Home Grown was an awsome ska band, but they turned punk.
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Postby NME » Sat Aug 16, 2003 9:59 pm

Well I'd think if it were common in many bands that it would be a defining element. But that's just me.
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Postby Jace Tsunami » Sat Aug 16, 2003 10:04 pm

it's like assuming saome one is black because they're a professional rap artist.

Not neccisarily so, yet most of the time true.

I mean, Eminem is an example, and every ska band with out wind instruments is an example of ska just the same.
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Postby jonmartensen » Sat Aug 16, 2003 10:08 pm

NME wrote:
Dictionary.com wrote:ska ( P ) (skä)
n.
Popular music originating in Jamaica in the 1960s, having elements of rhythm and blues, jazz, and calypso and marked by a fast tempo and a strongly accented offbeat.




Does surf rock trully fit under that definition Jace, or is it only fast tempoed with offbeats.
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Postby Jace Tsunami » Sat Aug 16, 2003 10:14 pm

they're WAY diffrent I agree. But just as there's hardcore punk and pop punk, they're both still forms of punk.

I mean, how much does Underoath or The Blood Brothers sound like Blink-182 or Good Charlotte? Pretty much none.

There are two majhor diffrences between surf rock and ska. Surf rock has no horns (ever) and has no lyrics.

Other than this they sound about the same, but these two elements alone make them very diffrent, so it's a just argument.

So I'm not necissarily calling Surf Rock ska, just a form of ska.
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