Why aren't people like this being sued?

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Why aren't people like this being sued?

Postby Garylisk » Fri Aug 08, 2003 4:12 pm

I was working at the theater the other day.. My theater is at a mall.. and there were a couple guys that called to me from down the mall and were like "Do you like music?" and I was like "Yeah." so they came over.

They had some CD binders and a backpack, and I had seen similar people before - Promoting indipendent music.

"So what is this, local artists?" I asked.

"No, no.. Basically, we buy the CD, and then we can make copies for you. just 5 bucks a CD."

I was pissed.

Why the hell are people sharing mp3's at no profit to themselves on the internet being sued to high heaven, when MF's like these are out making money off mall crowds being ignored?

I bet there's people like this all over the damn place.
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Postby kthulhu » Fri Aug 08, 2003 4:42 pm

You should have smacked the binder out of their hand and screamed "I don'
t want any of your filthy devil music!", loud enough for security to come.

Or you could have called security after the incident and reported them.
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Postby post-it » Fri Aug 08, 2003 11:06 pm

you -almost- got it right ( your soo close !!! )
. the problem with MP3's are that people can assemble an entire CD and convert it back into the Original CD's and sell these bootleg's
. on the other side of the coin, you have people ( like me ) who grew-up in the 60's and 70's and used to by the Full Length Albums for just one song ( which was sometimes depressing! ) . . later on, as Rock died, we began to notice that there only was one song which we liked - from any artist ( and we wanted only that song! )

. Black Market CD's and Single Songs have not really had that much of an impact on Major Labels and Recording Groups; its the over-night wanta-be's that are complaining that "people are not hearing our CRAP"
. the LAW Suit's is not being done by those who know the business, its being brought-on by the wieny little "you owe me a living" whimps!

. any time there is a LAW Suit someone doesn't know the Rules or has become the Victum of some off-the-wall law which no one has ever heard of . . there is no in-between
. . next time you see a LAW Suit, try to figure-out who is inj the wrong and/or what might have started it ( and screw opinions; they are not the FACT's which the Courts will hear arguments thereof ^^ )
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Re: Why aren't people like this being sued?

Postby Jace Tsunami » Fri Aug 08, 2003 11:20 pm

Garylisk wrote:I was working at the theater the other day.. My theater is at a mall.. and there were a couple guys that called to me from down the mall and were like "Do you like music?" and I was like "Yeah." so they came over.

They had some CD binders and a backpack, and I had seen similar people before - Promoting indipendent music.

"So what is this, local artists?" I asked.

"No, no.. Basically, we buy the CD, and then we can make copies for you. just 5 bucks a CD."

I was pissed.

Why the hell are people sharing mp3's at no profit to themselves on the internet being sued to high heaven, when MF's like these are out making money off mall crowds being ignored?

I bet there's people like this all over the damn place.


I've gotten in fights before, seriously.

I'd of acted like they were cool, looked through their binder. If I twas all crtap I'd of just said no thanks and let it go.

If there was an artist in there I either know personaly or respect, I seriously would have fucking swung at them.

I've nearly been arrested a couple times for the brutal fights I started (this was over some of my closest friend sin the music industrey)
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Re: Why aren't people like this being sued?

Postby Brsrk » Fri Aug 08, 2003 11:35 pm

Garylisk wrote:I was working at the theater the other day.. My theater is at a mall.. and there were a couple guys that called to me from down the mall and were like "Do you like music?" and I was like "Yeah." so they came over.

They had some CD binders and a backpack, and I had seen similar people before - Promoting indipendent music.

"So what is this, local artists?" I asked.

"No, no.. Basically, we buy the CD, and then we can make copies for you. just 5 bucks a CD."

I was pissed.

Why the hell are people sharing mp3's at no profit to themselves on the internet being sued to high heaven, when MF's like these are out making money off mall crowds being ignored?

I bet there's people like this all over the damn place.


Your avatar shows how you and most other people feel when they do this... Plus, with them doign that, they're making profit for what they didn't pay for and aren't licensed to sell or some shit... Back before I like anime, someone came up to me and said "I'll give you all this anime for only $50" There was some good stuff in there that I can remember, but it was all on CD-R and like 9-10 ep PER CD, since I didn't know what it was, I said "Get this shit outta here" and walked off... Then security arrested him |:

This is sorta like that AMV on eBay thing, not asking permission and making cash off of someone elses hard work and dedication...

Note to all who create AMV's: if you get a message from me stating that I'd like to give a friend some AMV's, then think of it as good curtisy and stuff...

::pulls 2 pennies out of pocket and throws them on table:: Tehre's my 2 cents... |:
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Postby ithaqua » Fri Aug 08, 2003 11:36 pm

Well, I've noticed the HMV in town has started making a LOT of room for singles. Maybe the record company's are hoping cheaper prices for the "one good song" will sell more records.


Sure saved me money on the new Blur song!
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Postby post-it » Fri Aug 08, 2003 11:41 pm

. I've saved a lot of Money by buying bootleg stuff - however, I would have never heard about anything I've gotten Bootlegged if they knew how to advertize the Original correctly - in the first place T_T
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Postby Jace Tsunami » Sat Aug 09, 2003 12:03 am

ithaqua wrote:Well, I've noticed the HMV in town has started making a LOT of room for singles. Maybe the record company's are hoping cheaper prices for the "one good song" will sell more records.


Sure saved me money on the new Blur song!


Most of the record labels I'm affiliated with don't release singles, they release [EP]s. What an [EP] is, is a really SMALL and cheap CD. They tend to have all the singles on them from any given albu, and a bonsu track or two that wasn't released on any albums. Bands also tend to release these BEFORE their full length is due out.

Rufio is a good example. The released their RUFiO [EP] in March or somehting like that. It had songs on "Don't Hate Me" "Set It Off" and "Why wait?" It also was enhanced, so it had bonus video on it of the band and stuff. This CD was only like $2.99. "Don't Hate Me" was never released on their full length album "1985" when it came out on June 17th, so there's some bonus for everyone who bought the [EP] And having the two other songs on it gave everyone a pretty decent preview of the album to come. Now that the Album is out the [EP] is still in print because "Set It Off" and "Why Wait" are singles. So now isntead of buying a single for either song, they spend $2.99 and get all this awsome stuff.

Singles only make VERY mainstream bands money. Like if the song has been on MTVs TRL or something.
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Postby Propyro » Sat Aug 09, 2003 1:28 am

thats sick ... if you look at it this way it makes sense. MP3's are shared over computers, and therefore are easily tracable. Bootleg/counterfit cd's on the other hadn are not that easily traced, it usualy would take a much larger amount ofmoney to track these peopl edown and get what ever evidence they need to file a suit against them. People are jstu taking teh easy route and going for teh easiest, and cheapest people to cruixify ... being us ... as for me personaly ... i don't care ... the rciaa can do whatever the fuck they want ... it won't change how i think or what i do. I will abide by my own code of ethics that i justify with my own reasoning, not the code that they justify with a dollar sign.

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Postby Propyro » Sat Aug 09, 2003 1:29 am

oh, and to avoid confusion ... i think that guy who was selling thsoe burnt cd's shoud have been stabbed with a spoon ... or bludgeoned by a bowling ball ... fucking cheap ass bastard theif ... should have sent the mall security after him ... i would have

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Postby Jace Tsunami » Sat Aug 09, 2003 1:36 am

you, like most people, only know of mainstream bands.

I know 100 diffrent bands that are DEPENDANT on CD sales. CD cales make a difference to some bands.

You'd be surprised how much money a cd sale can help. Do you know why Good Charlotte is so rich? It's because they were small and no one knew who they were when their Cd "The Young and The Hopeless" came out. So they're still making the profit off of CD sales that they were when the cd released. And obviously, they're selling a lot of CDs.

Sure they're rich now, but there are other bands out there like them, that arn't selling lots of cDs, and could use the support to help them get there.

I know a lot of bands personally, and there are a lot of bands I respect. I'm not going to sit there and let some one rip my good friends off.

People tend to assume that record labels make all the money off CD sales, it's not true. Or if they do believe the band makes money, they assume if a band has a CD in a record store they must be rich by now, and don't need the money.

CD sales HELP a lot of bands, and I won't stand by and watch best friends get fucking ripped off.
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Postby Propyro » Sat Aug 09, 2003 1:43 am

Jace Tsunami wrote:you, like most people, only know of mainstream bands.


you assume too much sometimes.

First of all, i don't just listen to mainstream bands, exspecialy not modern mainstream bands. Sure i don't know of as many bads as you do ... but thats not that important.

Second of all, i am in no way opposed to buying a cd, infact i refuse to copy an entire elbum as a suplemnt to buying a cd. I'll burn an entire album to replace a lost bought cd (i had to do this for Tool - Undertow ... some ass hole took my cd player with that cd in it ...) But i do liek making my own burnt cd mixes.

I prefer to buy cd's, it looks much better in my cd wallet the seeing 50 cd's tha tlook exactaly the same and say "Sony CD-R" on them. And when you buy the CD's you can get allkinds of interesting extras, ie, enhanced cd's (though i'm yet to find a good one), interesting CD bookelt art (Hint: RadioHead), and theres also the pride, or whatever teh name of tha tfeling is, you get fomr knowing you have helped suppsort some one's dream.

and my first post was a reply to Graylisk's first psot that started the thread

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Postby Jace Tsunami » Sat Aug 09, 2003 2:10 am

undertow and tool are pretty mainstream =/
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Postby Propyro » Sat Aug 09, 2003 2:27 am

Jace Tsunami wrote:undertow and tool are pretty mainstream =/


yes they are ... i know that ... that was the example i was using though ... somone stole my cd player and that cd was in it ... then i burned myslef a new copy to replace the bought copy ... theres no way in hell that can be considered tool's an underround band ... exspecialy the undertow album.

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Postby Jace Tsunami » Sat Aug 09, 2003 2:39 am

Well, burning CDs is not bad, not buying CDs is bad.

I drive into downtown Dallas like 10+ times a month, taking my 5 thousand dollar Cd book into town with me does not appeal.... =/

I have a second book I keep in my car that just has burns. If it gets stolen, it's like a $30 loss.
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