Otakon 2003: Sizing up the Competition...

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Postby trythil » Wed Jun 18, 2003 3:42 pm

Cybermat wrote:Same situation for the plagarism issue.


Yeah, and considering who has to prep all these entries, it seems even less likely that someone would get away with passing someone else's work off as their own...

...Actually, there's a funny tidbit about plagarism on Quu's LiveJournal :)
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Postby OtakuForLife » Wed Jun 18, 2003 3:51 pm

Sorry, it's off topic... I just sent out my blank tapes for the Prescreening by express mail and for the mail-back I used proiety mail. Will I still be able to work as a prescreener? Ether way I figured I'd give Matt a heads up on it before they got there.

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Postby hackerzc » Wed Jun 18, 2003 4:13 pm

trythil wrote:
Cybermat wrote:Same situation for the plagarism issue.


Yeah, and considering who has to prep all these entries, it seems even less likely that someone would get away with passing someone else's work off as their own...

...Actually, there's a funny tidbit about plagarism on Quu's LiveJournal :)


Well to clear things up a bit, I am refering to the "Leaves of Happaness" video by Newlight Productions.
I have not even seen the thing so I don't knwo how good it is or whatever, but they have already won 3 awards or something. And I just don't think it fair to everyone who has yet to win anything.
Even Doki Doki And Vlad deserve the chance since they have yet to win anything, even thought we all know one of them will probibly win (face it they ARE that damn good)
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Postby BaHaRa » Wed Jun 18, 2003 4:38 pm

hackerzc wrote:Well to clear things up a bit, I am refering to the "Leaves of Happaness" video by Newlight Productions.
I have not even seen the thing so I don't knwo how good it is or whatever, but they have already won 3 awards or something. And I just don't think it fair to everyone who has yet to win anything.
Even Doki Doki And Vlad deserve the chance since they have yet to win anything, even thought we all know one of them will probibly win (face it they ARE that damn good)



and for those who dont understand the current situation...check the portconmaine thread



(just so people dont think im evil or something)



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Postby dwchang » Wed Jun 18, 2003 5:24 pm

Cybermat wrote:Even if I miss something, thanks to the Internet it's pretty likely that another Otakon staffer or one of the AMV submitters will know about it and will mention it to me pretty quickly. Same situation for the plagarism issue.


Yeah that's what I thought with the internet and con reports. Just wanted to make sure since well...I hate to be brutally honest, but I've seen a lot of trolling during this summer.

We do appreciate all this work btw :).
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Postby dwchang » Wed Jun 18, 2003 5:27 pm

hackerzc wrote:Even Doki Doki And Vlad deserve the chance since they have yet to win anything, even thought we all know one of them will probibly win (face it they ARE that damn good)


I don't mean to be an ass, but I don't think it's wise to say that they "probably" will win or something. They are both very talented editors (and good friends), but it's not good to "typecast" someone to a particular genre or to winning prizes at cons. I know that this happened often with a certain legendary editor and that it pissed everyone else off.

Also, I know that sometimes the editor themselves don't like those types of comments since it generalizes them. Like I said, they're good, but not Gods like some people think.
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Postby hackerzc » Wed Jun 18, 2003 6:30 pm

dwchang wrote:
hackerzc wrote:Even Doki Doki And Vlad deserve the chance since they have yet to win anything, even thought we all know one of them will probibly win (face it they ARE that damn good)


I don't mean to be an ass, but I don't think it's wise to say that they "probably" will win or something. They are both very talented editors (and good friends), but it's not good to "typecast" someone to a particular genre or to winning prizes at cons. I know that this happened often with a certain legendary editor and that it pissed everyone else off.

Also, I know that sometimes the editor themselves don't like those types of comments since it generalizes them. Like I said, they're good, but not Gods like some people think.


I'm not type casting at all. Both Vlad and Tim made comedy videos this year and both are great. The point I was trying to make is that even guys as good as them, who would need no help beating said Yatta vid (not to say the Yatta vid coulden't win as I have yet to see it) have the right to go up against videos that have not won any awards yet.
As for my view about Vlad or Tim winning comedy, that is my personal opinion. To be perfectly honest I think it is between Vlad, Tim, Ashyukun, and this one other vid I saw and don't remember who made it.
I entered upbeat, but will most likely be changed to comedy myself, so I have already excepted the fact that even if I happen to get in the contest (which I am serioiusly doubting now) I will in no way win, so I might as well take a guess at who will. :P

No ther are not gods, but they know a hell of a lot more then I do, so I look up to them. And since everyone knows who they are they make EXCELENT example for making a point. :D
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Postby hackerzc » Wed Jun 18, 2003 6:32 pm

dwchang wrote:
hackerzc wrote:Even Doki Doki And Vlad deserve the chance since they have yet to win anything, even thought we all know one of them will probibly win (face it they ARE that damn good)


I don't mean to be an ass, but I don't think it's wise to say that they "probably" will win or something. They are both very talented editors (and good friends), but it's not good to "typecast" someone to a particular genre or to winning prizes at cons. I know that this happened often with a certain legendary editor and that it pissed everyone else off.

Also, I know that sometimes the editor themselves don't like those types of comments since it generalizes them. Like I said, they're good, but not Gods like some people think.


I'm not type casting at all. Both Vlad and Tim made comedy videos this year and both are great. The point I was trying to make is that even guys as good as them, who would need no help beating said Yatta vid (not to say the Yatta vid coulden't win as I have yet to see it) have the right to go up against videos that have not won any awards yet.
As for my view about Vlad or Tim winning comedy, that is my personal opinion. To be perfectly honest I think it is between Vlad, Tim, Ashyukun, and this one other vid I saw and don't remember who made it.
I entered upbeat, but will most likely be changed to comedy myself, so I have already excepted the fact that even if I happen to get in the contest (which I am serioiusly doubting now) I will in no way win, so I might as well take a guess at who will. :P

No they are not gods, but they know a hell of a lot more then I do, so I look up to them. And since everyone knows who they are they make EXCELENT example for making a point. :D
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Postby dwchang » Wed Jun 18, 2003 6:58 pm

hackerzc wrote:I'm not type casting at all. Both Vlad and Tim made comedy videos this year and both are great. The point I was trying to make is that even guys as good as them, who would need no help beating said Yatta vid (not to say the Yatta vid coulden't win as I have yet to see it) have the right to go up against videos that have not won any awards yet.
As for my view about Vlad or Tim winning comedy, that is my personal opinion. To be perfectly honest I think it is between Vlad, Tim, Ashyukun, and this one other vid I saw and don't remember who made it.
I entered upbeat, but will most likely be changed to comedy myself, so I have already excepted the fact that even if I happen to get in the contest (which I am serioiusly doubting now) I will in no way win, so I might as well take a guess at who will. :P

No ther are not gods, but they know a hell of a lot more then I do, so I look up to them. And since everyone knows who they are they make EXCELENT example for making a point. :D


Basically what I was getting at is that I know a number of 'big name' creators who don't like being called "Gods" and whatnot or expected to win at something. Worse is when people won't even enter a category because of them.

I have see Tim's video as well as Ashyukun's and yeah both of them are great. However, it sounds bad when people are already predicting winners and whatnot. Rude to the other people who entered.

Either way, yeah I believe both of them definitely deserve to compete. It's just that some of them are my friends, this is why I am voicing this. Not to attack you or anything just in case you thought that.
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Postby hackerzc » Wed Jun 18, 2003 7:46 pm

dwchang wrote:
hackerzc wrote:I'm not type casting at all. Both Vlad and Tim made comedy videos this year and both are great. The point I was trying to make is that even guys as good as them, who would need no help beating said Yatta vid (not to say the Yatta vid coulden't win as I have yet to see it) have the right to go up against videos that have not won any awards yet.
As for my view about Vlad or Tim winning comedy, that is my personal opinion. To be perfectly honest I think it is between Vlad, Tim, Ashyukun, and this one other vid I saw and don't remember who made it.
I entered upbeat, but will most likely be changed to comedy myself, so I have already excepted the fact that even if I happen to get in the contest (which I am serioiusly doubting now) I will in no way win, so I might as well take a guess at who will. :P

No ther are not gods, but they know a hell of a lot more then I do, so I look up to them. And since everyone knows who they are they make EXCELENT example for making a point. :D


Basically what I was getting at is that I know a number of 'big name' creators who don't like being called "Gods" and whatnot or expected to win at something. Worse is when people won't even enter a category because of them.

I have see Tim's video as well as Ashyukun's and yeah both of them are great. However, it sounds bad when people are already predicting winners and whatnot. Rude to the other people who entered.

Either way, yeah I believe both of them definitely deserve to compete. It's just that some of them are my friends, this is why I am voicing this. Not to attack you or anything just in case you thought that.


I'm done

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Postby Vlad G Pohnert » Wed Jun 18, 2003 7:59 pm

Hmmmm....People putting too much faith in my skills....

No gaurantee here that even me or Tim will even make the finals with all the good videos out there... And then it's up to the crowed to decide who wins via ballot so all bets are off there....

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Postby iserlohn » Wed Jun 18, 2003 8:00 pm

Hot damn. Am I the only one who will be crying for joy if their video makes the final cut?

and re: Yatta....if the creator's decnt they'll contact Matt and change their submission to non-competing. It'll still get shown once or twice on the big screen, people can laugh, and the ignorant can bitch about it being screwed out of the contest later. I consider it a troll at this point (like AD said in the Portcon thread, it's had its 15 minutes of fame....three times), someone else on this coast deserves a chance.
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Postby trythil » Wed Jun 18, 2003 8:10 pm

iserlohn wrote:Hot damn. Am I the only one who will be crying for joy if their video makes the final cut?


I'll definitely be crying if mine makes the cut, but I'm not sure about the "for joy" part...
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Postby Vlad G Pohnert » Wed Jun 18, 2003 8:14 pm

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Cybermat wrote:Ummm.... ano...

The Otakon deadline was at the end of May... that's a lot more than 4 days ago.


Hey Matt I would like a ruling on something.
Let's say that a video submitted to Otakon Just won an award This Past weekend (6-14-03), and We have yet to review it.
More so, let's say that this video has won 3 awards already (two previous to this weekend).
Is it DQ'd or would we just put that it is trolling in the comments section when we actually DO review it?

Also, exactly WHAT constitutes trolling. Winning before the pre-screening review, winning before the contest deadline, wining before sending a vid in to a contest at all, or a combenation of these?


Well, I thought I'd say something on this as well since I am running two contests and some videos entered have already previous awards recently

Eveyone has an opinion on what exactly trolling is.. With all the conventions going on at once, I think trolling has to be redifined a bit. Personally, I think all the videos are being sent out to the various contests in the hopes of making the cut at one or a few.. Then all of a sudden they start to win at several..So them what! What if the video was submitted to a contest and won after the deadline else where and the other contest is in the process of judging already.. So it if fair to start "Yanking" videos out of the judging... I look at it this way, If you win multiple contests after the deadline then that's the way it is... Quite frankly, even if you win before at a contest but have not entered any other contests, then why can't you send it in to one other unless the rules spell it out..

Quite frankly the reason for me sending a video to a con is so the audiance SEES it.. And it's nice to have a few cons screen it so that udiances in different areas get to see it... I always thought that winning to most creators what not as important as having it screens, so why all of a sudden has it become such a problem? Now I can see if a video is sent in to say 6 or 7 contests over a streatch of a year...

I suppose if you start to looking at trolling as winning more than once, then trolling by some could also be defined as the very tallented editors always making the cut with thier videos and depriving others from having thier videos screened....

So my point is, everyone has a definition of Trolling and it may not agree with someone elses... I would say the important part for us creators is to have a resonable screening opportunity at a few cons of our videos... Winning is just iccing on the cake it should really mean that muck not matter how ofter it happens to a resonable linit of course...

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Postby BaHaRa » Wed Jun 18, 2003 8:29 pm

iserlohn wrote:Hot damn. Am I the only one who will be crying for joy if their video makes the final cut?

and re: Yatta....if the creator's decnt they'll contact Matt and change their submission to non-competing. It'll still get shown once or twice on the big screen, people can laugh, and the ignorant can bitch about it being screwed out of the contest later. I consider it a troll at this point (like AD said in the Portcon thread, it's had its 15 minutes of fame....three times), someone else on this coast deserves a chance.



we have sent emails and withdrawn from the competing section of fanime and some others just now. we all very much wish to compete at otakon, since we have attended the last 2 years and have had a video in it before. We never planned on submitting to PCM, but after reading one of the replies scott made on the PCM thread that said something about it being a small con and just needed some submissions, and that they did not care if videos had been submitted elsewhere at the same time. We didnt really see any fault in it and didnt think it would anger so many people.


our intentions weren't to troll, and we apologize for what has happened. We are removing ourselves from several competitions, but we are just not willing to give up on otakon, and i really hope we make it
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