Anime Central 2003 Finalists and Winners

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Postby Ashyukun » Wed May 21, 2003 1:01 pm

MJ- Idol-ology made the actual contest and was shown. But even if it had been one of the final videos, I believe it wouldn't have been allowed to win anything due to its having won at Bakuretsucon...

Dan- Sorry you missed the text-video. Quu was right, it was quite cool. Unfortunately, while it's listed in the DB, it's not up for download... :cry:
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Postby dwchang » Wed May 21, 2003 1:59 pm

Ashyukun wrote:MJ- Idol-ology made the actual contest and was shown. But even if it had been one of the final videos, I believe it wouldn't have been allowed to win anything due to its having won at Bakuretsucon...


Also I hate to say it MJ, but competition was VERY tough. There were A LOT of great videos...hell Always was even cut.

Oh and your song sucks :-P
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Postby Flint the Dwarf » Wed May 21, 2003 4:08 pm

Ashyukun wrote:Dan- Sorry you missed the text-video. Quu was right, it was quite cool. Unfortunately, while it's listed in the DB, it's not up for download... :cry:


Liberi Fatali in Motion? Damn, it used to be up... and I don't have it anymore. :cry: It was one of my favorite videos too.

Anyway, congrats to all the winners.
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Re: Anime Central 2003 Finalists and Winners

Postby KagatoAMV » Wed May 21, 2003 4:26 pm

dwchang wrote:Original Concept:
Three Finalists:
1) Behind the Music: Black Heaven by Studio Hybrid
2) Who Let the Fro's Out by Ashyukun (Note: Unsure on this one)
3) The Animatrix Reloaded by You Choose Sam, the Rest
Winner: Behind the Music: Black Heaven by Studio Hybrid


Don't mean to doubt Daniel, but is this confirmed? Has there been an official list posted by Acen? or a list of what videos were shown?
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Re: Anime Central 2003 Finalists and Winners

Postby dwchang » Wed May 21, 2003 4:31 pm

Studio Hybrid wrote:
dwchang wrote:Original Concept:
Three Finalists:
1) Behind the Music: Black Heaven by Studio Hybrid
2) Who Let the Fro's Out by Ashyukun (Note: Unsure on this one)
3) The Animatrix Reloaded by You Choose Sam, the Rest
Winner: Behind the Music: Black Heaven by Studio Hybrid


Don't mean to doubt Daniel, but is this confirmed? Has there been an official list posted by Acen? or a list of what videos were shown?


The reason I'm posting it is because well...there is no official post. I don't wanna continue to bash the contest (b/c I already talked about my frustrations), but...they have yet to release anything. The only post I've seen is on ACen's boards and it is just a copy and paste of my list here.

However, I am 100% sure that you won Best Original Concept. I distinctly remember seeing that one written on the sheet as the winner. Also, thankfully, it was the one we chose (the creator judges) unlike the others I talked about. You should probably mail them to get your trophy..it's quite pretty :).

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Postby outlawed » Wed May 21, 2003 9:07 pm

A few comments folks.

1) Bitching about "who" got "screwed" is unnecessary
2) The contest director was Michelle. Patrick was tech. Julius was basically the assistant.
3) The convention is less than a week old. Give people some time to get back to the important stuff (lives ^_^). You can't expect people to come on here and give some big nice well written discourse right after the con sometimes.
4) Criticism about the way the contest's judging or the manner in which the contest was run should be made at the Acen forums where other Acen staff who are in higher positions can read your feedback.
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I have never been big on hearing complaints about how judging was wrong. Obviously this feels like a slap in the face to the person who got to feel happy about winning. What is better is if we discuss the process used to pick winners and if it was accurately followed. One of the key problems with Acen's judging has always been that it never seems to follow a set standard of rules and varies a little year by year. There was also no official document which outlined the manner in which judging phases would take place nor how they would inter-operate with each other. That being said one should not expect that one knows how judging phases actually work unless the contest director explicitly outlines it to them at some point.

So from now on let's focus on a fun discussion of the contest and its entries here while we move the feedback to a more appropriate place where people who NEED to see it will (i.e. All Acen staff).
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Postby trythil » Wed May 21, 2003 10:01 pm

outlawed wrote:A few comments folks.

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I may be wrong, but it doesn't seem like anybody is bitching about who got screwed, nor is anyone blaming OtakuVideo / SailorDeath for the judging problems. Indeed, the only complaints that have been made are exactly what you listed.
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Postby RichLather » Wed May 21, 2003 10:27 pm

dwchang wrote:BTW Rich, just a suggestion, but I'd suggest not doing that for ACen. A lot of videos were cut for well...not following the rules. I don't think anyone realized (other than Ashyukun) that it was something tied to you, but basically at ACen they don't want anything on your vid that can tie it to you. They make bumpers for that. Basically it gives an unfair advantage, so all videos are instead made to look equal (with the bumpers).


Roger that. For the longest time I've resisted making stand-alone bumpers because I didn't want them chopped off. Putting the bug in the corner at the end ensures that everyone who sees it knows it's a JNV video.

But I can see how it'd be a no-no for blind judging. From now on I'll make bug-less versions for competition and bug-added versions for distro. Thanks for pointing it out.
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Postby jal0021 » Wed May 21, 2003 10:38 pm

Which guests did the final judging? I'm just curious.

Problems with the contest aside, I'm still ecstatic that Forever and Before was a finalist, especially if Drama was as strong a category as everyone is making it out to be. Euphoria and My Fading Voice, Your Distant Heart are both incredible videos, so I'm happy to have shared such good company. In particular, I remember downloading My Fading Voice the first day ShonenDizzyCow made it available on the .org and simply being floored by it...I watched it over and over those first few days. Same with Euphoria, in fact. I never thought I would have been competing directly with either of them at any point, especially with Forever and Before, which started out as a weird little experiment.

As for Trythil's "Always", I had yet to see it, but with all the buzz, I checked it out...great video, and I can understand everyone's disbelief at it being cut. Drama truly must have been tough.
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Postby outlawed » Thu May 22, 2003 1:02 am

I didn't get to see Staff, Action, or Drama. But I did get to see Comedy and Theme. I have to say I was very impressed by some of the theme entries. Normally the theme hasn't been too successful at Acen for entries so a big congratulations for all who submitted to that category.

The Mezzo Forte vid was done nicely. The Akira video had probably the best 80's feel. Appropriate music was chosen for it that replicated similarities in the original anime. Daniel Chang's Glory of Love video was excellent. Without seeing the rest of the entries for this year I could say it would be worth consideration for Best of Show. The pacing was done well and there wasn't the usual re-hash or running out of scenes moments that many drama vids fall into. Plus I was happy that the music and themes in the AMV matched the original themes of the show(Escaflowne). Another vid I recall that I liked the concept of was the Pretty Sammy vid to "I know what boys like". Good idea but too much stretching with the shots of just Sammy. I would have liked to see it push the envelope and pull in some doujin. Such a nice twisted idea I was surprised I hadn't already thought of it. But I seem to pass up Tenchi footage a lot. Nice Job to all in that category.

As for myself the initial cut of Prime TanIME Project - Silver Spoons to Eva was "too hot for Acen" so the censored version was used. It was no surprise to me and that is why I provided two versions. I was happy to see some laughs in the Sunday crowd for it and some groans ^_^. Unfotunately the best money shot (literally!) was not available for audience reaction hehe.

I'm in the process of re-encoding all my old vids to mp4 file format. So I will probably see about uploading them sometime in the near future with the new ones.
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Postby Nappy » Thu May 22, 2003 1:41 am

Ashyukun wrote:Tom- Your videos were shown at the pre-screening, but I know at least the Hello Kitty video was not put into the contest due to having won at Anime Boston.

MJ- Idol-ology made the actual contest and was shown. But even if it had been one of the final videos, I believe it wouldn't have been allowed to win anything due to its having won at Bakuretsucon...


Is that really a rule o_O I mean do alot of contests use a rule like that, if so It's pretty messed up and might cause ppl not to bother entering smaller contests because omg they might win and not be able to win the larger contests they really wanted to win. Imagine movies losing oscars cuz they won golden globes or mtv awards :P

and the best of show winner didn't even win action, is this because they don't wanna give them both awards o_O does winning one award automaticly disqualify you from other awards o_O
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Postby dwchang » Thu May 22, 2003 1:54 am

jal0021 wrote:Which guests did the final judging? I'm just curious.


I believe the two Japanese guests were the singer (maya okamoto?) and the composer (name eludes me) and one US Guest. I won't go further into this though since well...judging was perfect per se.

outlawed wrote:Daniel Chang's Glory of Love video was excellent. Without seeing the rest of the entries for this year I could say it would be worth consideration for Best of Show. The pacing was done well and there wasn't the usual re-hash or running out of scenes moments that many drama vids fall into. Plus I was happy that the music and themes in the AMV matched the original themes of the show(Escaflowne).


Thank you very much! Yeah I tried very hard to find "perfect" scenes (hopefully it worked). This is where most of the time went into. I am also glad that you see the "music/theme" matching the show itself. I tried very hard to illustrate the relationship through the song rather than the other way around. I hope that makes sense. I guess I should stop since well...it's not really related to the contest results and I have a post in the announcements page. Thanks a lot though!

Nappy wrote:Is that really a rule o_O I mean do alot of contests use a rule like that, if so It's pretty messed up and might cause ppl not to bother entering smaller contests because omg they might win and not be able to win the larger contests they really wanted to win.


It's the rule for ACen (it's in there) and I think even for Otakon. Not all cons do this, but I do see why they do this at the ones that do. I hate to be brutally honest, but there are *A LOT* of award trolls on the .org. People who just care about awards and enter into every contest. I don't think I need to explain that this is rude to the other creators in the contest (who might be cut) and at the same time rude since their videos have already received recognition.

No offense, but...well...I dislike this mentality QUITE a bit. It really defeats the purpose of AMVs in general (having fun) and makes the entire thing one giant competition (the people who only make to win or at the least submit to EVERY con). Also, to be honest, if you submitted to EVERY con, statistically, you're bound to win a few. IMO though I find those wins a bit empty and have never understood the necessity to enter every con and win a few awards...I'd rather win one or two from specific cons that are special to me and that I am in attendence for. I'd imagine it'd feel a lot better being their and being formally recognized than receiving my pretty trophy and staring at it (with that ego boost it gives....funny since well...you're bound to win eventually).

Don't get me wrong, I agree with your points about the "best video" winning, but at the same time, how would you feel if a video like "Odorikuruu" was in EVERY con and won EVERY award. That would be wrong since other videos would not receive recognition. Even if "Odorikuruu" or another video is "better" they already did receive recognition right?

Isn't it more polite to let others receive recognition for their hard work as well? As much as it says it's a "contest" and people are "competitive", I (to a degree) back this...or rather, I back it up when a con enforces it. There are plenty of cons who don't do this and they can do that as well. I basically agree with what the cons choose because well..it's their contest. Wow, I'm not making sense :-P.

In conclusion, what I am trying to say is that their is a reason for this rule and at the same time it's not set in stone for every con. Unfortunately, it is the case for ACen and Otakon and I see their reasonings and respect it. In fact, I agree with it for these cons since they receive so many entries that it would be unfortunate for great videos to not receive recognition b/c of well...a video (that is great mind you) that has already received recognition.

BTW I just wanna state that I am NOT attacking you. You just touched a nerve and annoyance I have in the community. In fact, I think you're a nice guy and you were just bringing up the point. So please don't take this as an attack to you, I am just arguing the point...not you :).
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Postby dwchang » Thu May 22, 2003 1:58 am

Nappy wrote:and the best of show winner didn't even win action, is this because they don't wanna give them both awards o_O does winning one award automaticly disqualify you from other awards o_O


Forgot to reply to this...I believe I addressed this above. The winner of best of show was not even nominated for best of show (and at the same time did not win it's own category). I know this is coming across as me bashing the video, but I am *only* stating the facts and not my personal opinion as to which video should've won or lost. The facts are well..the facts. It wasn't nominated as a finalist and it won.

Unfortunately, the people who made the final call aren't here, but I have already stated the facts of the matter above (the judges themselves, the direction (or lack thereof) they received and so on). Make whatever conclusions you'd like. I won't comment :-P.
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Postby mexicanjunior » Thu May 22, 2003 3:17 am

Ashyukun wrote:MJ- Idol-ology made the actual contest and was shown. But even if it had been one of the final videos, I believe it wouldn't have been allowed to win anything due to its having won at Bakuretsucon...


When I entered Acen, I didn't know it had won at Bakuretsucon. :| Oh well, if comp was as tough as you say it was, I wouldn't have won anyway. :p
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Postby Pwolf » Thu May 22, 2003 3:18 am

ugh, a video with mitterncaht and hellsing -_- i hope people don't think i made my mitternacht video because this one won an award at Acen -_-



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