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Postby Vlad G Pohnert » Wed Feb 05, 2003 12:57 am

Castor Troy wrote:I think they should do the ballots in a scantron type fashion. Or they can play some exhibition videos and use that time to rally up the votes.


I don't see it, It takes Otakon a couple of hours to count the ballots.. Now thing about counting up and verifying over 1000 ballots.. No hope in hell of waiting that long! The only down side to ballots is you can't announce things the same night wiht large crowds...

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Postby XStylus » Wed Feb 05, 2003 1:28 am

Vlad G Pohnert wrote:
Castor Troy wrote:I think they should do the ballots in a scantron type fashion. Or they can play some exhibition videos and use that time to rally up the votes.


I don't see it, It takes Otakon a couple of hours to count the ballots.. Now thing about counting up and verifying over 1000 ballots.. No hope in hell of waiting that long! The only down side to ballots is you can't announce things the same night wiht large crowds...

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How many people usually attend Otakon's convention, and how long does it take for them to count all the ballots?

For AX, I'm estimating that there'd be at least 5000 ballots to be counted. I think it'd be wise if the Tech staff investigated tallying software of some kind (or wrote it from scratch) to help streamline the counting a bit, but we'll see how it goes.
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Postby dokidoki » Wed Feb 05, 2003 1:45 am

xstylus wrote:How many people usually attend Otakon's convention, and how long does it take for them to count all the ballots?

I think last year it was around 12,000. They have multiple contest showings, so ballot counting is distributed between them. (ie: they don't wait until the last minute to count the votes from the first showing)

For AX, I'm estimating that there'd be at least 5000 ballots to be counted.

If that. Last year at Otakon only about 700 people voted.
http://www.otakon.com/history/past_awar ... nners.html
Many more people saw the contest.
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Postby Vlad G Pohnert » Wed Feb 05, 2003 1:47 am

xstylus wrote:How many people usually attend Otakon's convention, and how long does it take for them to count all the ballots?

For AX, I'm estimating that there'd be at least 5000 ballots to be counted. I think it'd be wise if the Tech staff investigated tallying software of some kind (or wrote it from scratch) to help streamline the counting a bit, but we'll see how it goes.


Well, there are three showing for Otakon with about 2500 each time... the ballot turn out though ends up being lower since a lot of people don't want to bother voting..

I estimate the number at AX to be LOWER then 5000! I estimate if the crowed is say 5000, the there will probably be something like 30% who will vote. Maybe more, but for sure I can't see over half since a lot of people just want to watch and not bother to fill out s sheet of paper...

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Re: Ballots

Postby hackerzc » Wed Feb 05, 2003 2:17 am


It will be interesting to see how ballots work. Otakon does it that way and it's quite a task to collect and count them! With a bigger audiance and only having one showing, there will be LOTS of ballots and they will have to somehow be handed out.. Quite a bit of logistics to work out, but then again I always did try to suggest to AX to use Ballots so it may be worth all the effort after all....

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Well with Otakon, they include the ballot in the whole member pack they give you at registration. It would actually be eazier having one BIG screening then several smaler ones like Otakon did last year because once the get the ballots, you have them, period. All you have to do is count. And that should not be a problem unless some one from Florida is doing the counting. =^)
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Postby hackerzc » Wed Feb 05, 2003 2:22 am

If that. Last year at Otakon only about 700 people voted.
http://www.otakon.com/history/past_awar ... nners.html
Many more people saw the contest.


I didn't vote! I was jaded by the fact that my crappy newbie self did not make the contest. lol. Man, I must have been smoking something that year. Good thing I did not make it too. It humbeled me enought to actually go and learn about what I was doing.

Being knocked on your ass every now and then is a good thing.

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Postby Vlad G Pohnert » Wed Feb 05, 2003 2:29 am

hackerzc wrote:

THE REIN OF DOKI DOKI MUST END!!! Nothing personal =^)


Hmmm... What exactly are you saying! It's us Canadains that have a strangle hold on the contest :wink: :wink:

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Postby hackerzc » Wed Feb 05, 2003 3:56 am

Vlad G Pohnert wrote:
hackerzc wrote:

THE REIN OF DOKI DOKI MUST END!!! Nothing personal =^)


Hmmm... What exactly are you saying! It's us Canadains that have a strangle hold on the contest :wink: :wink:

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Postby The Wired Knight » Wed Feb 05, 2003 1:23 pm

If AX were willing to shell out the money for it, a scantron could run the system awfully quickly. Or at least the newer ones so it could tally for you how many chose video A B or C. Scantron sheets come fairly cheap and the only hassel would be collecting them.
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Postby hackerzc » Wed Feb 05, 2003 5:20 pm

The Wired Knight wrote:If AX were willing to shell out the money for it, a scantron could run the system awfully quickly. Or at least the newer ones so it could tally for you how many chose video A B or C. Scantron sheets come fairly cheap and the only hassel would be collecting them.


Hey, that is a good idea. Now everyone just needs a number 2 pencil, hehe.

5000 #2 pencils please!
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or better yet, AX has money, they are SO commercial they must have it. They could setup a PC station where each con badge has a number on the back. You go to the PC enter in your number, then make your choices. Then you don't need to worry about counting, let the PC go it for you.
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Postby The Wired Knight » Wed Feb 05, 2003 6:52 pm

Still, I think it will be quicker and more efficient than hand counting. Staples has 72 #2 pencils for $3, that means you have to buy this package about 70 times, times three dollars, that's about $210. For the contest and a more efficient voting method isn't half bad.

Course if the audience doesn't like the results you've now provided them with lots of tiny sharp projectiles.
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Postby hackerzc » Wed Feb 05, 2003 6:53 pm

The Wired Knight wrote:
Course if the audience doesn't like the results you've now provided them with lots of tiny sharp projectiles.


LOL!
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Postby Castor Troy » Wed Feb 05, 2003 11:29 pm

Oh crap.

I better avoid making a video that'll piss off the crowd. :shock:
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Re: AX 2002 Contest...

Postby XStylus » Thu Feb 06, 2003 3:20 am

hackerzc wrote:AX is too commercial for my liking. Please Otakon, don't be like them!


There is nothing commercial about AX. It is still a fan run convention operated entirely by unpaid volunteers. The only difference between AX and Otakon is that AX has more industry connections, especially abroad. No other convention comes even remotely close to having the kind of presence from the Japanese side of the industry than AX. Hence, yeah they suck up to the corporates a lot. They wouldn't get the guests and industry presence that they currently enjoy if they didn't. The downside is that a few of the gray-area activities have to be shoved into a corner (note that I didn't say "eliminated"), but that in my opinion is a very small price to pay.

Would you rather AX not have any industry presence at all? Would you like them to tell the corporations to just piss off and have Anime Expos without Guests of Honor or studio panelists, and simply run a bunch of fan-panels and show fansubs in the video rooms all day? Come to think of it, that just about describes a few of the smaller cons out there...
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Re: AX 2002 Contest...

Postby hackerzc » Thu Feb 06, 2003 4:54 am

[quote="xstylusWould you rather AX not have any industry presence at all? Would you like them to tell the corporations to just piss off and have Anime Expos without Guests of Honor or studio panelists, and simply run a bunch of fan-panels and show fansubs in the video rooms all day?quote]

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