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VCD Compatibility

Postby Bushido Philosopher » Wed Jul 24, 2002 3:10 pm

I'm sorta new to the VCD section of video so bear with me...

I'm under the impression that VCDs are MPEG-1 and SVCDs are MPEG-2.

What encoding procedures do the MPEG video files have to be under to work on a DVD player?

Here's what I think the conditions are:
Frame size: any size
Frame rate: either 23.976 or 29.97 only
Bitrate: any
Sound: 44.1 Khz, any bitrate

....if I'm wrong in any section please tell me so that I don't end up wasting tons and tons of CD-Rs. I've tested a home-made VCD on my player and it works so you can count I sorta know what I'm doing. I'm just wondering what restrictions I'm set to.
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Re: VCD Compatibility

Postby jbone » Wed Jul 24, 2002 3:46 pm

Ko Oh Yoku wrote:I'm sorta new to the VCD section of video so bear with me...

I'm under the impression that VCDs are MPEG-1 and SVCDs are MPEG-2.

What encoding procedures do the MPEG video files have to be under to work on a DVD player?

Here's what I think the conditions are:
Frame size: any size
Frame rate: either 23.976 or 29.97 only
Bitrate: any
Sound: 44.1 Khz, any bitrate

....if I'm wrong in any section please tell me so that I don't end up wasting tons and tons of CD-Rs. I've tested a home-made VCD on my player and it works so you can count I sorta know what I'm doing. I'm just wondering what restrictions I'm set to.


Actually, there are very strict frame size and bitrate settings for something to be VCD and SVCD compliant.

Open up TMPGEnc and load the VCD/SVCD settings, you'll see what they are.
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Postby Bushido Philosopher » Wed Jul 24, 2002 8:42 pm

im guessing the things that are not greyed out can be changed right?
and what about the rate control mode...? im sure that doesnt matter right?
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Postby §_Akuma_§ » Thu Jul 25, 2002 9:34 am

go to www.vcdhelp.com that site will tell u EVERYTHING there is to know about SVCD's/VCD's.
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Postby TobinHood » Fri Jul 26, 2002 4:11 pm

Frame size: 352x240 for NTSC or 352x288 I believe for PAL (I always use NTSC)
Frame rate: use 29.97
Bitrate: 1150kbps
Sound: 44.1 Khz, 224kbps

It's much easier just to load the vcd template for TMPG :)
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Postby Bushido Philosopher » Fri Jul 26, 2002 4:42 pm

hmm...i can see why its not that popular..

thanks guys
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Postby jbone » Sun Jul 28, 2002 4:46 pm

TobinHood wrote:Frame size: 352x240 for NTSC or 352x288 I believe for PAL (I always use NTSC)
Frame rate: use 29.97
Bitrate: 1150kbps
Sound: 44.1 Khz, 224kbps

It's much easier just to load the vcd template for TMPG :)


If your source is 23.976fps, you might as well use that framerate to get a better-looking end-product. :-)
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Postby TobinHood » Sun Jul 28, 2002 11:19 pm

jbone wrote:
TobinHood wrote:Frame size: 352x240 for NTSC or 352x288 I believe for PAL (I always use NTSC)
Frame rate: use 29.97
Bitrate: 1150kbps
Sound: 44.1 Khz, 224kbps

It's much easier just to load the vcd template for TMPG :)


If your source is 23.976fps, you might as well use that framerate to get a better-looking end-product. :-)


If your source is 23.976fps then you suck and I hate you.
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Postby jbone » Sun Jul 28, 2002 11:35 pm

TobinHood wrote:
jbone wrote:
TobinHood wrote:Frame size: 352x240 for NTSC or 352x288 I believe for PAL (I always use NTSC)
Frame rate: use 29.97
Bitrate: 1150kbps
Sound: 44.1 Khz, 224kbps

It's much easier just to load the vcd template for TMPG :)


If your source is 23.976fps, you might as well use that framerate to get a better-looking end-product. :-)


If your source is 23.976fps then you suck and I hate you.


My source is 23.976fps.
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Postby TobinHood » Mon Jul 29, 2002 11:53 am

jbone wrote:
TobinHood wrote:
jbone wrote:
TobinHood wrote:Frame size: 352x240 for NTSC or 352x288 I believe for PAL (I always use NTSC)
Frame rate: use 29.97
Bitrate: 1150kbps
Sound: 44.1 Khz, 224kbps

It's much easier just to load the vcd template for TMPG :)


If your source is 23.976fps, you might as well use that framerate to get a better-looking end-product. :-)


If your source is 23.976fps then you suck and I hate you.


My source is 23.976fps.


You suck, I hate you :P
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Postby jbone » Mon Jul 29, 2002 12:00 pm

TobinHood wrote:
jbone wrote:
TobinHood wrote:
jbone wrote:
TobinHood wrote:Frame size: 352x240 for NTSC or 352x288 I believe for PAL (I always use NTSC)
Frame rate: use 29.97
Bitrate: 1150kbps
Sound: 44.1 Khz, 224kbps

It's much easier just to load the vcd template for TMPG :)


If your source is 23.976fps, you might as well use that framerate to get a better-looking end-product. :-)


If your source is 23.976fps then you suck and I hate you.


My source is 23.976fps.


You suck, I hate you :P


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Postby Eek-1 » Wed Jul 31, 2002 7:30 am

Might as well post a Q here.


Is it Okay if I mix a NTSCfilm (23.nnfps) stream with a NTSC (29.nnfps) on a single VCD? Will it play normal on a VCD player?


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Postby jbone » Wed Jul 31, 2002 9:32 am

AFAIK, you can, ek1.
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Postby RadicalEd0 » Thu Aug 01, 2002 11:33 am

doomy doom doom...
anyway, if you're trying to put amvs on vcd then you should use vcd, in which case yeah you need to encode them at 23.976/29.97 1150 kbps 352x240 mpeg 1 vcd streams. But if yer doing more interesting stuff like copying DVDs then you should use SVCD, because it allows for more stuff like 2 audio tracks, subtitles, and vbr. SVCD isnt nearly as strict as VCD. Res is limited to 480x480, but the bitrate can be anything from 0-2600 kbps, and the audio bitrate isn't restricted either. The spec says you have to use 44.1 khz audio, but converting the DVD audio which is 48 down to that is a huge waste of time and quality because all DVD players have to support 48 khz audio anyway. One more thing, I've found that using CVD resolution, which is 352x480, instead of 480x480, has a lot of advantages. If you need to know more than that, I gots more to tell. And the doomy doom doom thing wasnt a symbolic reference to doom9 of any sort, I just had.. the urge to say it. bye now
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