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Re: tan(x)

Postby lolligerjoj » Mon Dec 30, 2013 5:47 pm

Thanks for the feedback, I really appreciate it, honestly.

Regarding the distortion/cookie cutter/displacement effects many seem to regard as unnecessary I am a bit sad. I thought to use them as indicators for alienation, that later dominates the video. I wanted to give the viewer a kind of subconscious unpleasant premonition. But maybe that's exactly what it is when people tell me they don't like these effects :P
Replay Studios wrote:The motion interpolation does look amazing but I think you need to find a way to clean or repair the warped frames. It is noticeable and distracting :P Keep it up man!

Oh believe me I'm trying :D
Desperately, that is. When you've reached the point when It follows the principle "the more masks, the better it looks" things will stop being motivating. I think I've endured it quite a bit longer than with my last video, but after some point I'm just getting sick of it :?
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xDreww wrote:Sad that people might not understand the concept

The sad reality. :shrug:

It's probably not just not understanding the concept, but also not even wanting to think about it. I was fully aware of that problem when I started this video, but I ended up not caring. When I started thinking about things like "well, if there are people not liking this idea, what can I rather make that pleases everyone?", I just came up with things that I didn't like remotely as much as this one. In my theory, Into The Labyrinth was a really lucky hit in terms of me liking it, and people liking it. And it all comes down to what video I really want to see, not someone else. This hobby is a really egoistical one for me :D. Strictly speaking, putting it online and having success is just a positive side effect ;)
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Re: tan(x)

Postby MouseBollocks » Mon Dec 30, 2013 6:10 pm

lolligerjoj wrote: I thought to use them as indicators for alienation, that later dominates the video. I wanted to give the viewer a kind of subconscious unpleasant premonition. But maybe that's exactly what it is when people tell me they don't like these effects :P


I feel that you achieved this even without the displacement though. The first segment of the video creates enough unease by itself, which carries over into the second segment. Plus, some of the other effects you used in the second segment (The repeating and the dark distortion) also have the same affect. I personally don't think that the displacement was totally unnecessary, and as you said over at AKROSS, it does work nicely for sync purposes, but I do think you shouldn't have started using them right at the start of the second segment, and perhaps waited until a bit later. The perfect timing would be just when the viewer in starting to feel comfortable in the very different tone that the second segment introduced.
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Re: tan(x)

Postby lolligerjoj » Mon Dec 30, 2013 6:38 pm

MouseBollocks wrote:but I do think you shouldn't have started using them right at the start of the second segment, and perhaps waited until a bit later.

Haha, this is exactly what I actually wanted to add to my post above, bit I simply couldn't remember it ;)

And I can't deny that I simply liked them for the syncing. I just grew up syncing everything, I can't stop it now :P
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Re: tan(x)

Postby MouseBollocks » Mon Dec 30, 2013 7:08 pm

lolligerjoj wrote:I just grew up syncing everything, I can't stop it now :P


I think everyone who makes AMVs is eternally doomed to this fate :shock:
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Re: tan(x)

Postby Mastamind » Thu Jan 02, 2014 1:39 am

I think you're my favorite editor now. But not yet my favorite amv-maker.
Your experimentation in this video was very fun to watch. Those twitches, creative little variations, and of course the super-smooth framerate.
4:12-4:16 may be my favorite segment from any AMV I've watched. Very, very nice scene selection, especially for that section of the song, but I wish you'd toned down repetition of certain scenes. I also really like how it built up to the climax (literally, ha), that scene at 4:33 gives me chills.
With a more solid concept, I think you'd have had a much more special video. As it is now, it reminds me a bit of the song itself: pretty self-indulgent, an interesting experiment, but lacking a coherent meaning beyond a viewer's wild interpretations. But that's not a bad thing. I really enjoyed it, keep it up :up:
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Re: tan(x)

Postby Shui » Thu Jan 02, 2014 8:49 am

:up:

Apart from badly timed effects in the beginning a very well executed AMV.
I get that some people think there are too many fillers - but that's fine with me as long as the atmosphere is alive.

It's visually stunning, gonna have to watch this in a good home theater when I get the chance.
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Re: tan(x)

Postby Cour » Fri Jan 03, 2014 2:36 pm

lolligerjoj wrote:
Cour wrote:
xDreww wrote:Sad that people might not understand the concept

The sad reality. :shrug:

It's probably not just not understanding the concept, but also not even wanting to think about it. I was fully aware of that problem when I started this video, but I ended up not caring. When I started thinking about things like "well, if there are people not liking this idea, what can I rather make that pleases everyone?", I just came up with things that I didn't like remotely as much as this one. In my theory, Into The Labyrinth was a really lucky hit in terms of me liking it, and people liking it. And it all comes down to what video I really want to see, not someone else. This hobby is a really egoistical one for me :D. Strictly speaking, putting it online and having success is just a positive side effect ;)


Have a very good point, it is true that perhaps many expected something better (to your taste) seeing how popular it was"Into The Labyrinth" and the great success they had in the Big Contest.

And then the concept of the video, I'd say it's better than the spectator who would of their own concept to this video, in my opinion he could give more of a concept in general.

Anyway, I personally, I prefer Into The Labyrinth, was a really amazing video, but this also has its own greatness, I love your work, keep it up. :awesome:

Use of Twixtor was as fabulous as ever. :ying:
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Re: tan(x)

Postby lolligerjoj » Sat Jan 04, 2014 4:20 pm

I just rendered the video without effects. A lot of people ask about a making of, but this is probably the closest thing I'll make (for the sole reason that it renders in about 20 minutes, and is extremely easy to set up).
Here it is on YouTube (and, of course, already blocked in Germany),
and here you can download the thing in 60 fps from Mediafire.
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Re: tan(x) [added no-effects-version]

Postby slimed » Sat Jan 04, 2014 5:50 pm

i really enjoyed this, probably one of my favorite amvs in a while. the concept is great, i've never seen anything similar executed even nearly as nicely as this is. i think the entire orchestration of visuals/fx is on point, and the technical work is pretty remarkable too. it lacks the pseudo-artsy vibe that (most of) the few videos i've seen that try to accomplish this have for me, so props for the commitment. i somehow missed "Into the Labyrinth" until reading over the comments in this thread and that was great too. looking forward to seeing future videos from you :up:

and i don't think any of the effects are unnecessary. to me this doesn't really need to fit into any technical mold. i think an effect-less version (which i seen posted and haven't checked out yet) would make this a different experience and almost defy your intentions?
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Re: tan(x) [added no-effects-version]

Postby lolligerjoj » Sat Jan 04, 2014 6:26 pm

Thanks for the comments :). When I started making the video somehow accessible, I realized that there is exactly this danger of making the viewer go: :roll:
So it makes me happy to see quite a big percentage of them actually perceiving it as I hoped they would be :). Though the problem of the compromise is that the video became pretty abstract, and people rightfully criticize the lack of something tangible. Or, as Mastamind phrases it:
an interesting experiment, but lacking a coherent meaning beyond a viewer's wild interpretations.

And no, the no-effects-version isn't really a "version", I probably should stop calling it that. It's more like a making of. People asked me to do a making of, and because I'm too lazy to do a real one I just upload the same video with disabled effects, so people see what the effects actually do. You can see what the motion interpolation actually does with the footage.
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