I only touched on it briefly, because you asked "should this still be called a M@D? Or can it rightly be called a Japanese AMV?". My only point was that they are one in the same. Mentioning history of such things is pointless when only the here and now is relevant.Kionon wrote:Historically, this was not true, though AceD. Early M@Ds did not resemble early AMVs, and the philosophy behind creating them was quite different. You make a case which has been discussed here before, that the two forms have evolved to closely resemble each other if not be indistinguishable unless they follow styles which were established very early in one hobby or the other. I don't disagree, but I also don't need the explanation (useful for newer editors/members, perhaps).
I've unfortunately only discussed this with one Japanese creator in person. Turns out one of the clerks at the 市役所 was a M@D editor, and he saw me editing one day at my desk on the Board of Education's floor. I think he was delivering a note. Japanese creators seem to be very, very strongly tied to anonymity, and so there aren't any real get-togethers like there are for other fandoms I am involved in here in Japan where I may be the only person who isn't ethnically Japanese present. It'd be nice if we could, but then, I think the international community, especially the North American community, benefits largely from the convention scene. In Japan, events are tied to much smaller purposes. The idea of a general anime convention has been discussed by several people (including myself), but the fear is that it might not be popular, nor its purpose understood.
I the case of this thread, I was more interested in what you would apply to this specific work, especially as it is an official music video, not a discussion of M@D vs. AMV.
AceD wrote:Mentioning history of such things is pointless when only the here and now is relevant.
so why try decide if it's a "M@D" or "Japanese AMV", just call it an official music video....i would probably just call it a MV or PV though, since they are official videos and "mads/amvs" relate to fanmade works
JudgeHolden wrote:Sorry Kio .. I agree with Aced.
It's original animation done officially for the band, like the Amazing Nuts CD/DVD pack or a Gorillas MV ... so it is neither an AMV or a M@D ... it is what it is ...
Kionon wrote:Japanese creators seem to be very, very strongly tied to anonymity, and so there aren't any real get-togethers like there are for other fandoms I am involved in here in Japan where I may be the only person who isn't ethnically Japanese present.
outlawed wrote:I remember when we translated the MAD info page. Got some amusing commentary on different MAD creator webpages' bbs comments. Pretty much they were like omg who put this up we need to get it down. Unlike us over here where the JP companies have limited power to do anything they also have to worry more about getting shut down.
You can bet something like a large scale AMV contest would not fly over there unless it was backed by a particular corporate entity and had the proper restrictions in place. At that point it wouldn't really be the same thing. Let's also remember that it's standard procedure to keep your otaku status in the closet to begin with.
If you take fan out of the picture then you've moved on from AMV or MAD designation. What you have then is professional output. It's not the same thing.
Plenty of doujin amateurs go pro but you don't see people making MADs in Japan as a doujin enterprise to go pro because they don't own the footage and music and would be sued into oblivion.
To be honest if I was an animator whether pro or an amateur in the doujin scene I would see AX's cash money AMV contest as a slap in the face. Cons over here exist to serve their clientele so it's a moot point and that's getting off topic.
Also what we call typical story AMVs exist as MADs. I had seen several back in 2000. They just weren't as common as all the stuff the VN fans made.
Zarxrax wrote:I've always been of the opinion "who the hell cares what you call it, if its an amazing piece of work, you can call it a dead fish for all I care, its still an amazing piece of work."
Kionon wrote:If a Japanese studio hired you tomorrow to edit for an official music video with all new animation for some anime series or anime short, and you really liked it, and you were fan, and you worked with the animators to do all the things which we normally do in AMV editing, and your work was released in Japan, would you honestly tell me you hadn't just made an AMV?
Kionon wrote:Most music videos I've seen since the late eighties on have left me thinking, "and just what did that have to do with the price of tea in China?"
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