DJ_Izumi wrote:If you guys want to make an effort to keep the Org from falling into irrelevency in the 21st century, IRC, in all of it's antiquatedness, is probably not the way to go about it...
Kionon wrote:Please stay on topic, guys. Thanks.
DJ_Izumi wrote:Kionon wrote:Please stay on topic, guys. Thanks.
It is ontopic. The Org is almost a dinosaur and IRC already is a dinosaur. If you want to do reviews you should make them in a way that is relevent to an audience beyond the ageing AMV diehards.
Try a Facebook group or something instead of IRC. It's 2012, not 1999; Get with the times.
Rider4Z wrote:Might i suggest setting up reviews for those who request them? Perhaps starting by selecting a video in the opinion exchange forum, then leaving it open for sign ups? reason being, i think leaving reviews for those who genuinely ask for them and want to learn would be more productive and meaningful than a random selection.
If it's set up that way, then I'd be willing to take part. I'd feel uncomfortable critiquing something when i wasn't invited to do so by the creator.
Kionon wrote:If it's set up that way, then I'd be willing to take part. I'd feel uncomfortable critiquing something when i wasn't invited to do so by the creator.
I admit I don't understand this. The underlying implication of putting a video on the Org is that you are welcoming opinions (and stars, and quick comments) from any viewers who come across your video. So, it logically follows that all of us have indeed been invited to do so by the creator.
Rider4Z wrote:i understand that's the general consensus, but i've never been one that fully agrees with it. i think having that mindset is what turned a lot of people here into elitists and gave the org a bad rep of being overly critical for quite a while. i think it would benefit us as a whole if we focus more so on enjoying others' work and being encouraging BEFORE we critique.
I've never bought into the idea of us "elitist." I think it's a false narrative which confuses a strong if not unerring commitment to quality with a desire to exclude. I think we can be less than sensitive to how our critiques may be viewed by newer members, whether they are new to editing or simply new to the Org. I also acknowledge some members have used #AMV-Review during previous review sessions to go past constructive criticism into inappropriately personal criticism, and that needs to stop. This is why I mentioned academic discourse and general decency. This is also why having a moderated environment is so important.
However, I strongly believe that while there is inevitable culture clash, there has always been an element of welcome at the Org, and that we want new members, provided they read the guides, study our customs and traditions, and show an eagerness to accept constructive criticism and show improvement. I think our "elitist" reputation is from strong reactions to new members not doing those things and then expecting older members to sing their praises anyway.I don't mean to say that giving critiques is a bad thing at all, it's simply our state of mind that concerns me. my number one purpose for being here has always been to find and download AMVs i enjoy, not to grade them.
Rider4Z wrote:well i think you and i are just on different pages. oh well, thanks for considering my thoughts anyway. i wish you luck
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