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Re: AWA pro thoughts/followups?

Post by Mr Pilkington » Tue Oct 02, 2012 1:59 pm

kireblue wrote:I think that a "no hentai" rule is a little too broad. I think that a "no pornography" rule would be more suitable. doesn't actually have any hentai in it, but it does have a "mature" theme. Thus, a rule that allows 18+ videos is necessary. But I don't feel that actually has pornography in it (especially since even though the video was edited to portray rape, the scene doesn't actually exists in any of the sources)

I think that (coincidentally by the same editors) is a better example of using hentai/ yuri to tell a story and be a entertaining video. But just as in the case of , the scenes that portray sex were handled "tactfully" enough to avoid being classified as a hentai video (even though it is definitely 18+)

I am only open to getting rid of a "no hentai" rule if it is replaced by a rule that prevents people from submitting outright pornography. I know plenty of underage editors that are far more talented than myself, and it would be unfortunate to have rules in place that would prevent them from participating in Pro and Masters.
The problem there is qualification and artistic castration.

Not going to dive too deep into it, but it goes back to the argument of nudity in art. The lines blur based on who you ask




drewaconclusion wrote: I find this statement rather hilarious. Especially considering you've consistently entered videos that were very obviously premiered before AWA pro, nevermind the fact that they'd won multiple awards before AWA.
I presume it was sarcasm. That said, it's got merit. I made my opinion well known, but I liked the idea of only new vids in pro with a separate masters contest.
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Re: AWA pro thoughts/followups?

Post by SailorDeath » Tue Oct 02, 2012 2:06 pm

Both hentai videos I entered into pro were by no means meant to be "troll videos" As made evident by winning best comedy for 3D and the EP, there CAN be pornographic hentai amvs that can win a MAJOR category. I entered Guro Soup because I thought it was good enough for pro, and considering that won Best Adult I think some people agreed with that opinion.
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Re: AWA pro thoughts/followups?

Post by BasharOfTheAges » Tue Oct 02, 2012 2:29 pm

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drewaconclusion wrote: I find this statement rather hilarious. Especially considering you've consistently entered videos that were very obviously premiered before AWA pro, nevermind the fact that they'd won multiple awards before AWA.
I presume it was sarcasm. That said, it's got merit. I made my opinion well known, but I liked the idea of only new vids in pro with a separate masters contest.
expo = video dump. If it wins an award, yay? If not just enjoy the crowd reaction.
Pro = set out to win with the best you got, Grind away on one video, if you have time try for a 2nd.
Masters = Start 2 years out and pour your heart and souls into something that's totally new to you.
It wasn't the content of the message that was bullshitingly lulzy, it was the person stating it.
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Re: AWA pro thoughts/followups?

Post by AMV_4000 » Tue Oct 02, 2012 2:40 pm

I am perfectly fine with the no nudity in pro, you had better have the sick and twisted award ready in expo then :p

*I misspoke with the "no hentai" comment, I figured you knew I was saying "no nudity/18+ content" sorry*

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Re: AWA pro thoughts/followups?

Post by Lord Rae » Tue Oct 02, 2012 3:17 pm

I was pretty sure we had some Hentai entries in Pro in the past.. although it's been years since I've seen one. Never minded them unless they were poorly made.

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Re: AWA pro thoughts/followups?

Post by Mr Pilkington » Tue Oct 02, 2012 3:34 pm

I guess the question that should be asked, is there anyone vehemently opposed to having adult content in Pro?
Especially now that we're several generations from the VHS days and videos with offensive content can be skipped at the discretion of the viewer.



It's a lot of work, but there is a "cake and eat it too" sort of option. Since the biggest reason to remove adult content from pro was the distribution to minors, have all "R" or less content available on the torrents, but any applicable adult entries available as a download with password only provided to those who are of age and/or generated on a person-person basis. It handicaps the entry (which from the masters standpoint changes nothing) but, if that video is strong enough on it's own, shouldn't prove terribly challenging. That would also warrant removal of the "gimme" adult prize in pro. All of the above I would personally be in favor of. Granted I'm obviously the voice of support for adult content.

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Re: AWA pro thoughts/followups?

Post by The Wired Knight » Tue Oct 02, 2012 4:41 pm

Mr Pilkington wrote:Granted I'm obviously the. . .adult content.
:awesome:

That said I'm fine either way, the only problem I see is that some people object to watching the content at all (regardless of age) so what you have is a much smaller voting pool than before that is heavily skewed. So it;s not just about eliminating minors (which I doubt there are many anyway) but who WILL watch and vote on those videos? Additionally, how many are needed for the catagory to support itself? If there are only two or three entires then it's still a gimme award even structured as such.

I'm not against having it, hell I run a con that practically relies on it. but I am concerned about how many people would enter and how many would actually watch all the ones entered.
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Re: AWA pro thoughts/followups?

Post by Rider4Z » Tue Oct 02, 2012 5:52 pm

Mr Pilkington wrote:I guess the question that should be asked, is there anyone vehemently opposed to having adult content in Pro?
Especially now that we're several generations from the VHS days and videos with offensive content can be skipped at the discretion of the viewer.
Blatantly obvious sexual scenes/innuendos/positions make me uncomfortable. There was a video entered either last year or the year before that was to (i think) Bible Black, there was nothing specifically shown but i turned it off maybe a quarter into it.

Videos like Jus Talionis are different. the scenario was serious and not aphrodisiac aimed. I'm fine with an "R" rating, but not "X" or "NC-17".

sorry to be the prude of the group. you can blame it on religious reasons :P

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Re: AWA pro thoughts/followups?

Post by SailorDeath » Tue Oct 02, 2012 6:48 pm

Rider4Z wrote: Blatantly obvious sexual scenes/innuendos/positions make me uncomfortable. There was a video entered either last year or the year before that was to (i think) Bible Black, there was nothing specifically shown but i turned it off maybe a quarter into it.

Videos like Jus Talionis are different. the scenario was serious and not aphrodisiac aimed. I'm fine with an "R" rating, but not "X" or "NC-17".

sorry to be the prude of the group. you can blame it on religious reasons :P
Not a problem really, I mean I too understand that there are a lot of people who don't like hentai amvs and skip them. Voting has always been skewed for those videos. But just like Pilk and most of CBR we enjoy making hentai amvs and for us pro is the only competition that allowed hentai to compete with everything else and when hentai wins something other than the adult "gimme" award it actually means a lot. I know it meant a lot for me to win comedy with 3D and the EP. I also love the fact that it's considered a staple hentai amv at some cons along with videos like Money Shot and Prison Bitch.
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Re: AWA pro thoughts/followups?

Post by drewaconclusion » Tue Oct 02, 2012 7:03 pm

Rider4Z wrote:
Mr Pilkington wrote:I guess the question that should be asked, is there anyone vehemently opposed to having adult content in Pro?
Especially now that we're several generations from the VHS days and videos with offensive content can be skipped at the discretion of the viewer.
Blatantly obvious sexual scenes/innuendos/positions make me uncomfortable. There was a video entered either last year or the year before that was to (i think) Bible Black, there was nothing specifically shown but i turned it off maybe a quarter into it.

Videos like Jus Talionis are different. the scenario was serious and not aphrodisiac aimed. I'm fine with an "R" rating, but not "X" or "NC-17".

sorry to be the prude of the group. you can blame it on religious reasons :P
Why not just add a suffix to the file name of each hentai video (such as [H]), that way, those who object to such material will have forewarning and can just avoid it? Seems like a simple enough solution to me to take care of both issues.
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