The Lip Flapper : Volume 25 - MimS

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The Lip Flapper : Volume 25 - MimS

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Welcome to the Lip Flapper! Each week, we delve deep into the community and get a look into both individual members as well as group discussions on various issues that surround our hobby.
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Interview Spotlight

MiMs MimS, a popular judge and critic, and great coordinator/member of MEPs, is a French editor and member of AMV France. He's a pretty active member around here, and it's far time I step outside the American boundaries in these interviews. :up:

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Interview
Q: Thanks for joining me today! Care to take a moment to introduce yourself and let us know a little bit about yourself?

Before saying anything : sorry in advance for the potential English mistakes
OK. Well, I'm MimS which actually means Music in my Soul. I'm 21, my real name is Karim, I live near Paris (10 minutes with a bike).
Currently studying mathematics in order to teach them, kinda hard, already lost a year and currently losing another one hm...
I love music above anything, any genre of music, I just can't spend a day without listening some of it and I'm also a bit harsh about people's taste when it comes to it (like I always say that the major part of editors need to receive music education /o/). FYI : Nneka > all
I also love Football (Soccer) and Basketball.
And last but not least : vs fight video games FTW (particularly Blazblue CSE and SF x tekken)
Ho, and you'll also notice that there isn't a post where I don't say « well », it's just some habit I have from French language that follows me everywhere...

Q: Well thanks again for joining me today MiMs. Let's start off with the typical question and ask how you got started in AMVs?

1st, it's MimS, not MiMs, the capital S is important :p
Actually I've known AMVs ever since I've watched animes, fact is, to me, they were just Naruto stuffs using shitty songs on youtube. Then, in 2007 I met some guy, who is one of my best friend right now, who showed me Jihaku and Euphoria and well... I don't think I could describe how I felt when I saw these vids. In the following days I watched Magic Pad and it was too much : I had to edit myself !
Funny thing is my friend doesn't really care about AMVs anymore right now and he's always surprised that I'm still in it haha.
It took me a while after this to release my very first AMV. It was in April 2008, a video using Haruhi Suzumiya anime and it wasn't really good... Since then I haven't made so many vids actually, kinda lazy and busy plus I really don't like what I do in general. I had and still have a lot of AMV ideas but I dropped sooooooo many projects, kinda upset me.
Also, back then I really was a big anime eater so it was impossible for me to edit various 'cause AMVs were about giving justice to the anime. Now it's just about editing and entertainment...


Q: Care to share with us about your editing process? How you get started, how you edit and ending off?


I don't have any.
Well 2 cases :
I love this anime, I need to find a song for it. I find a song : ok let's do it
I love this song, I have to find an anime or a concept to it (which can imply multi anime). I find the anime or the concept : ok let's do it.
It's always about making a good vid, no matter that I want to give justice to an anime or to create a concept : AMVs are about editing, I want people who don't like animes to be able to appreciate my videos for what they are, MUSIC video.
Now it happens I don't even try to make some vids because the idea would need me to make technical stuffs I don't want to spend time on (lazy again)... I just want to make neat videos, great to watch. I don't like spending hours working on a stuff which is 3-second-long. That doesn't mean I don't like masking or else, just that it's not my top priority ^^''. I have a huge respect for editors who spent months and months working on their vids, I can't do it myself or I would drop my project for sure. Though, lately, I'm a bit bored, seems like editors want to show they're able to mix animes to create an unique story and well... That's not what AMVs are about imho. Basically I don't mind them to do it if it's well done but it's not my priority as an editor to that type of things.

Also, I can say that I'm a pretty linear editor, I start from the beginning of the music, I sometimes put some clips at some spaces but in general, I end up changing them 'cause it isn't good anymore once I arrive to that point.

Q: From reading past comments, you seem to be a well accepted judge/critic among the AMV online contests and from editors in general. What's your method for critiquing/judging videos?


Hm...
I hate having criteria to check. I mean, once for a very little IC, I had to give points according to things we gave me, I tried to follow it, it didn't suit my op at all so I just put marks that would give a ranking following it XD.
I don't really know how it started that some people trust me as a judge. I think the main reason is that I was always absent when there were 'important' contests and since I knew some of the coordinators, they tried to put me as a judge and finally thought they were ok with the way I do my judgement.
The only thing I can really tell is that there can be lots of work in a vid, to me, it can be bad as hell. Months spent on a vid don't mean it'll be great, it'll just mean you're patient and congrats to you but me, as an editor and as a judge, I don't care. I just watch the vid : is the pacing good ? Are my eyes schocked when clips change ? Is it interesting ? What does it have than the previous vid I watched didn't have ? Is this voluntary random or just rushed ? Is there a storyline or just a global idea and if yes, is it clear through all the video ? Are effects well done ?
I kinda work like it... hope it's clear

Q: So as a member of AMVFrance, can you share with us a little bit about how the French community is different/similar from the Org community?

AMV France is an association, Org isn't.
Amv France is French, Org is... org. I mean, we could say it's Americain but it's not true, look at Mirko or Nya. Org is just a bunch of people who like the website to me.
Org forum is big as hell not AMV Fr one XD
But there is one common point : to French, AMV fr was seen as elitist for a long time (while it's not), to people outside Org, Org was full of elitists (while it's not).

That said, let's go back to the association point. You have to know how it works, it's pretty... « democratic ». In fact, every two years, members of AMV France participate in an election of their staff filled by 10 persons, members themselves. By members I mean, they pay every year to be part of the association.
The association has some goals to reach, the main one being that its finance has to be stable or it's not legally allowed to exist anymore. For that point, it mainly depends on Japan Expo contest for many reasons : Japan Expo convention is the place where we meet every year and let's say if the contest becomes uninteresting, people lose a reason to come particularly if they don't know anyone. I mean, well, for people like me near it, it's easy but when people live far from Paris, it's tiring and expansive to come. Also, if the contest doesn't receive enough entries, it can simply... disappear from the convention. You know, AMV France association is little, JE is all about sells and basically, we don't help it to earn anything, they keep us because they want to, like « they have many entries so people are interested in it » but if it comes we have no more entry well, maybe there won't be AMV France in JE anymore which would be kinda dramatic.
That's why the staff works as much as he can to interest the community and even foreigners : )

I used to be part of it but I didn't want to keep on... I'm still a basic member though but I'm not really into it anymore, not that I don't care, just that I have other things to do.
Honestly, I'm more Org than AMV France now lol. Before, I used to be on AMV Fr IRC channel and it was a lot of fun but then people started to leave it and meanwhile, the way people considered AMVs changed. Imho, if there weren't contests, the hobby would be dead, which saddends me. I kinda miss the old days, Dark Krystal, Master of Chaos, SoH, Dark Kirua, Kael, they were the French editors who gave me the desire to edit myself. They were examples to me (well, they weren't anymore when they became my friends for some of them but still :p). I also miss people like Koop who released Twilight with so looooooooong credits 'cause everybody wanted to beta it and he mentioned all of them (at least think so). Back then, there really was an AMV COMMUNITY. Back then, I remember editors received looooooong reviews on their AMVs, people pointed anything they could see and/or feel watching it, good or bad, there was passion.
It wasn't Org, South America, France and Russia, it was AMV. Seriously, I always hope to see a Reflections of Style 4 y'know.
Now... Kinda uninteresting but well that's not the original question >_>


Q: Are there any active barriers that keep foreign editors outside of a-m-v.org that you can notice or have heard of? I notice from stalking watching the other sites that there is quite a talent pool out there. Is there anything that might make the transition a little easier for them


I honestly don't know. Thing is, even in France, it's separated, there are so many teams >_>
AMV France forum isn't so active, only few French editors are on it ^^. There are soul's team, eden team, phoenix team, [insert a name here] team forums which are active so well...
Org people just have to take care when they talk to a newcomer but basically, I'm part of the people who think newcomers have effort to do also. In my own case, before registering on the French forum, I spent 2 months reading it in shadows ^^ ''.



Q: You've mentioned in the past about the lack of foreign representation in the VCA/JCA contests. Care to expand/explain a little bit about that? 


People who choose judges are from Org, people who vote are from Org, that's all |:
I don't blame them but don't expect to see many foreigners which such a system.
About JCAs, they should be completely re-worked imho, to take VCAs semifinalists is unfair to me. I've got an idea but it'll be a paiiiiiiiin to organise : Choose like 7 judges and they have to choose 3 vids for each category. Plus, add exchanges in finals between them before making the raking so that they can deliver a global judge op rather that just a mathematical result:s


Q: MEPs seem to be quite your forte'. Empty Mosaic and Memory Flash are testament to that. Care to share a little advice for MEP coordinators and the like about how to put together a solid MEP? 


Hu... It saddens me that you only point MEPs I'm in T_T.
Well, ok, I have to admit it this is where you can notice me the most. Just before answering to your question, I want to say that I made some vids alone like God First or Awakening and I think they're really worth watching XD (and also Dragon Screamer for the French version of Quickening but that was a fanboy video x) ).
For MEPs in general, I just don't like not doing what I'm supposed to do that concerns someone else. For my own vids, I don't care, I drop, too bad. But in MEPs, I don't like to be the one who spoils the whole project so I try always to be as serious as possible.
About Memory Flash³, I wasn't a coordinator, just an editor among the others and I was really proud to be part of it. The 2nd opus was released when I started to be interested in AMVs and since that moment I always said : if there's a 3rd one, I'll be in and I was, so, really, that was like a dream to me XD. Hm... Though things weren't how I would have liked them to be but it doesn't matter now, we did it and I'm glad : )
If we have to speak about MEPs I coordinated, you forgot Acid :p. Won't say much about it but, as both coordinator and editor, it was the project where I had the more fun until now (even considering the running 2nd opus of Empty Mosaic).
Anyway, fact is, as a coordinator, you have to know who you're working with, what you want from any of the editors in your project and also show that you are yourself motivated. I mentioned Empty Mosaic², well... for example for this project I didn't take any track deciding to trust editor : never do that. It was a mistake, now I know it, never, NEVER, do that. The best way to keep people motivated is to show your own motivation, to edit yourself and to spam them every week, every day. That's how it is. Also private forum, not only for betas but also for random stuffs not even linked to the project to create some fun though this point doesn't work every time sadly, depends on editors' motivation ^^
By the way, I don't think I have THE solution, I just know that when I start a MEP I end it and it'll be always like this 'cause I'm a dictator : D.


Q: Anything in general that you think could improve a-m-v.org? 


I don't know honestly... To reorganize the forum was a good idea but I don't think it was done so well XD
I mean, well it is reorganised, but it's not good or bad, it's just different, it doesn't make things easier to me.

Also, I wish the amv annoucements section was more... well, y'know, right now there are quickening and project org vids so it's quite different but damn, there's no real op anymore. People say « great », « ok », « bad » and that's all. No more developed op like I could read long ago.
Well, now that I'm writing it I don't think it's such a good idea, people will be even more scared XD.

Maybe you shoud promote more the IRC channel... the best moments I had in AMV France's life were when everybody went to its channel...
Writing this, I want to say something not linked at all in the itw : I really miss godix, really, he was part of the people who made me want to connect to Org channel. I didn't connect for a while learning his death, even now thinking about it makes me really sad. I didn't really know him that much but I had great conversations with him and I think he was a great smart and funny man. IRC isn't the same anymore since he left us.

Well... apart from that, no idea, sorry, I can't help you much.

Q: Well thank you for joining me this week. Any last minute advice or general comments for the editing public?


I don't have any, I'm not the best placed to advice people.
Just do whatever you want, the way you want but learn to accept someone's else op. By showing your work, you accept to be reviewed in any possible ways. You don't have to agree with the review, just accept it for what it is, the viewer just doesn't care about the reason why you made this or that stuff, he just watches an AMV.
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Re: The Lip Flapper : Volume 25 - MimS

Postby irriadin » Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:12 pm

Good read :up:

MimS wrote:The best way to keep people motivated is to show your own motivation, to edit yourself and to spam them every week, every day. That's how it is.


Yes, that IS how it is. :P

jk MimS, you know I love you :wink:
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Re: The Lip Flapper : Volume 25 - MimS

Postby FarmXD » Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:49 pm

Aw I didn't know about this, it's great!! :D
I don't like MimS, he never talked to me again :c
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Re: The Lip Flapper : Volume 25 - MimS

Postby ProjectBarcodeError » Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:56 pm

nice interview, maestro!
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Re: The Lip Flapper : Volume 25 - MimS

Postby Kevmaster » Wed Jul 25, 2012 5:20 pm

Good interview, there's a lot truth in things he's been saying.

Back then, there really was an AMV COMMUNITY. Back then, I remember editors received looooooong reviews on their AMVs, people pointed anything they could see and/or feel watching it, good or bad, there was passion.
It wasn't Org, South America, France and Russia, it was AMV.

but damn, there's no real op anymore. People say « great », « ok », « bad » and that's all. No more developed op like I could read long ago.


These quotes for example. It's both things I noticed after getting back into the community and it's both things I am really sad about :(
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Re: The Lip Flapper : Volume 25 - MimS

Postby lloyd9988 » Wed Jul 25, 2012 6:30 pm

Admittedly, I will say that without Godix, this place did die. . . a lot. I mean, out of all the editors I've seen on here, he was definitely the most active among all of us. He even made a thread on how to be an org asshole like him. . . But there is no one here with the balls to do it :(

Anyway, back on topic:



Watch it, damn you! :amv:

Didn't know about the name (Just thought it was a cool name) but that was some pretty awesome symbolism behind it :up: And a promotion on the chat would be a pretty good idea, but I also think that the chat itself is a bit too black and white for some people without much flair. I would think a xat chat from time to time but that would probably be for a more closed group instead, like an MEP group or something like that. And if we ever allow foreign judges, I vote Trampler as a judge, if he would do it. |:> Lastly, I can kinda see where he's coming from about the technical AMVs that have been coming out because it has a fairly lack of emotion and focuses more on story, but at the same time, I disagree because even some AMVs, like Jus Talionis, did a great presentation on both story and emotion. Course, the ones I've seen now: Metamorphose & In Terminis didn't really have that same flair that Jus Talionis had, imo. Anyway, last thing I found funny was MimS just wrote:

MimS wrote:Back then, I remember editors received looooooong reviews on their AMVs, people pointed anything they could see and/or feel watching it, good or bad, there was passion.


But all we can really say to this is: "Good Read" or "Those were some interesting points". Can we elaborate on what we feel a little bit more?? Maybe I'm probably the only one bothered by it but whatever. :P
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Re: The Lip Flapper : Volume 25 - MimS

Postby TritioAFB » Wed Jul 25, 2012 7:22 pm

We have more in common that you believe MimS, but I still believe there's passion for the hobby. Perhaps not like previous years, but it's still there
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Re: The Lip Flapper : Volume 25 - MimS

Postby Ileia » Wed Jul 25, 2012 7:59 pm

lloyd9988 wrote:Admittedly, I will say that without Godix, this place did die. . . a lot. I mean, out of all the editors I've seen on here, he was definitely the most active among all of us. He even made a thread on how to be an org asshole like him. . . But there is no one here with the balls to do it :(


I really have to wonder about your frame of reference...since you joined the Org a month after Godix passed away. He was indeed an active and beloved member of the community, but the Org didn't begin to die when we lost him or any one person, the decline started years ago and for multiple reasons.



As for the interview, I agree that the short answers are disappointing, but as long as I've been a member, that's the majority of what I've received (unless I've specifically asked for an opinion) so I'm used to it, I suppose. I do still see some detailed comments left in announcement threads, by Code and some others, but generally only on new users' videos.
I would like to see more reviews, though, I've been vaguely considering setting up a group review that users can submit videos to, maybe I should get on that....
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Re: The Lip Flapper : Volume 25 - MimS

Postby lloyd9988 » Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:05 pm

Ileia wrote:I really have to wonder about your frame of reference...since you joined the Org a month after Godix passed away. He was indeed an active and beloved member of the community, but the Org didn't begin to die when we lost him or any one person, the decline started years ago and for multiple reasons.



As for the interview, I agree that the short answers are disappointing, but as long as I've been a member, that's the majority of what I've received (unless I've specifically asked for an opinion) so I'm used to it, I suppose. I do still see some detailed comments left in announcement threads, by Code and some others, but generally only on new users' videos.
I would like to see more reviews, though, I've been vaguely considering setting up a group review that users can submit videos to, maybe I should get on that....


Yeah, I guess your right :sweat: But I was reading up on Godix's posts here for awhile now because right as I came in here, I watched the AMV Iron Chef tournament and just heard about his death that way, Kinda my reason why I decided to snoop around Godix's posts and, honestly, I found them interesting because Godix just didn't really care about how other people felt when he commented on someone's video and I just kinda compared it to the posts nowadays and I feel as though there's a difference between the two. Course, that's only with one member, not with the whole AMV community as a whole but he did make an impact here in the community. ^_^ So I guess that's kinda my reference.
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Re: The Lip Flapper : Volume 25 - MimS

Postby [key]Scarlet » Thu Jul 26, 2012 4:27 pm

I think that the major problem with the short comments is that they are usually made by friends or known people by the editor, therefore it's normal that there isn't the necessity to write something that was already told in private before. Other people who usually comment videos (especially those made by well known editors) are fans of the editor and they don't know what to say more than "awesome", or maybe they don't realize where are the problems in the video because the editor is their idol.
However, this isn't a really bad thing for me, I rather hate quick comments like "OMG you used 67 animes you must be a god", like happened in Nostromo's latest video.
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Re: The Lip Flapper : Volume 25 - MimS

Postby MimS » Thu Jul 26, 2012 6:27 pm

[key]Scarlet wrote:I rather hate quick comments like "OMG you used 67 animes you must be a god", like happened in Nostromo's latest video.


This kind of comment is funny to me... well, you know, basically, fanboys :awesome:
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Re: The Lip Flapper : Volume 25 - MimS

Postby [madaraxD] » Thu Jul 26, 2012 6:39 pm

Also, I wish the amv annoucements section was more... well, y'know, right now there are quickening and project org vids so it's quite different but damn, there's no real op anymore. People say « great », « ok », « bad » and that's all. No more developed op like I could read long ago.

:up: . Nice read.
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Re: The Lip Flapper : Volume 25 - MimS

Postby Pwolf » Thu Jul 26, 2012 7:23 pm

MimS wrote:Back then, I remember editors received looooooong reviews on their AMVs, people pointed anything they could see and/or feel watching it, good or bad, there was passion.


Think I'm going to have to call bull shit on this. I'm tired of people using this as a reason why things are "worse then they were". The amount of long reviews and quick little "likes" or "dislikes" on videos is more or less exactly the same as it always has been. New editors back then didn't get very many replies just like they don't get very many now. There are a small number of people who will leave longer reviews and comment on new editor's threads. It really wasn't all that different.

Back in 2003 when I released the first version of Mitternacht ("Midnight"), my announcement thread had 8 replies. Of those 8 replies, only 3 other people other than myself commented. Not a single comment was long or detailed. 4 months later, when I released the version I will forever be known for, I received 5 replies. Again, no long detailed comments. Euphoria had 19 pages of mostly random conversation and like/dislike comments. Very little detailed analysis of what Jay had made. In 2005 Jay released Waking Hour. 6 pages of "i liked it". Same year, Jihaku, 6 pages of short comments, again, no detailed analysis of the video. In 2006 I released my AWA Pro video for that year. 3 pages of short comments. 2008, Nostromo's Auriga: 11 pages of, again, short comments and discussions about frame rate.

I could keep going but I'd be here researching old video announcement threads all day and find the same thing. The majority of comments are short and not very detailed. There was no more "passion" then as there is today. If anything, the passion we see from people today is mistaken for drama and elitism.
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Re: The Lip Flapper : Volume 25 - MimS

Postby BasharOfTheAges » Thu Jul 26, 2012 7:43 pm

I was going to write up some big post for the next time this sorta line of conversation came up, but I think Pwolf really hit the nail on the head - especially with the last bit.

Everyone's constantly talking out of both sides of their mouths with this. You can't ask for more involvement and then shit on everyone for being all srs bsnss about it or being "elitist assholes." Being involved requires being serious some times, and just because people want to have an academic discussion doesn't mean something is magically not fun any more.
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Re: The Lip Flapper : Volume 25 - MimS

Postby Fall_Child42 » Thu Jul 26, 2012 9:03 pm

BasharOfTheAges wrote:Being involved requires being serious some times.


I disagree with this.
I think you can be non-seriously involved.
or seriously uninvolved.

sometimes I even revolve non-seriously.
Seriousness, or non-serious involvement revolves around involvement not the seriousness of the revolving involvement, seriously.
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