Anime Expo 2012 AMV Contest Thread - WINNERS ANNOUNCED!!!

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Re: Anime Expo 2012 AMV Contest Thread - WINNERS ANNOUNCED!!

Postby XStylus » Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:48 am

So then... is this thread considered necro yet?

Let me throw a tennis ball in this room full o' mousetraps here:

For the past week I've been in the midst of rewriting the rules for the AX2013 AMV competition. Completely. From scratch.

Here's your opportunity to provide some feedback. Is there something that has always irked you? Here's your chance to see those concerns get some attention.

Also, here's a sneak peak of one rule that you might likely see on the 2013 rules:

[NOT FINAL NOT FINAL NOT FINAL NOT FINAL!!!]
#) Freshness Rule
No “stale” entries. A “stale” entry is considered any of the following:
a) An entry whereby AX would be the fourth (or more) live event that the entry would be exhibited at.
b) Any entry that is publicly viewable online. Any public download links must be pulled and remain offline until after the competition.
c) Any entry that was shown at any live event prior to July 1st, 2012.
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Re: Anime Expo 2012 AMV Contest Thread - WINNERS ANNOUNCED!!

Postby Seijin_Dinger » Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:33 am

Ive always liked a "freshness rule" to limit it to videos made since the previous year's convention
(Oh and sorry if my ribbing ya about glitching Vlad's video seemed mean, it was kinda one of those "Im not the only one now" moments for me)
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Re: Anime Expo 2012 AMV Contest Thread - WINNERS ANNOUNCED!!

Postby BasharOfTheAges » Thu Jul 12, 2012 8:07 am

C is fine. A and B are just ridiculous - they're more work for you, and you'll eventually screw up, and choose not to uniformly enforce that rule. You don't want to go back to punishing honest people for being honest.
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Re: Anime Expo 2012 AMV Contest Thread - WINNERS ANNOUNCED!!

Postby drewaconclusion » Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:36 am

If those are the rules you're thinking of, you might as well just adopt the exclusivity rules of Japan Expo.
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Re: Anime Expo 2012 AMV Contest Thread - WINNERS ANNOUNCED!!

Postby XStylus » Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:01 am

drewaconclusion wrote:If those are the rules you're thinking of, you might as well just adopt the exclusivity rules of Japan Expo.


Dunno what their previous rules were, but JX's present rules don't appear to have an exclusivity rule, unless I read incorrectly. The only requirement was that it not have been posted online yet, which seems very reasonable to me. Though depending on feedback I might relax it to say that if you've presently got your video posted online, you must pull it until after the competition.

Edit: Yep, I misread. JX has an exclusivity rule. And nope, I will never put such a rule in.
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Re: Anime Expo 2012 AMV Contest Thread - WINNERS ANNOUNCED!!

Postby l33tmeatwad » Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:12 am

xstylus wrote:[NOT FINAL NOT FINAL NOT FINAL NOT FINAL!!!]
#) Freshness Rule
No “stale” entries. A “stale” entry is considered any of the following:
a) An entry whereby AX would be the fourth (or more) live event that the entry would be exhibited at.
b) Any entry that is or has been publicly viewable and/or obtainable online.
c) Any entry that was shown at any live event prior to July 1st, 2012.

Trying to cut back on the number of entries you have to go through eh? lol...contest is probably gonna suffer a LOT of those are the rules. Not saying you won't get good videos, but some people do usually post online after the first convention it premieres at, so all of those videos would no longer qualify.
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Re: Anime Expo 2012 AMV Contest Thread - WINNERS ANNOUNCED!!

Postby Kazemon15 » Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:17 am

I think it would be better to try and adapt Otakon's rules into AX...

I think it'll be easier instead of looking for every video that premiered online or at cons before AX.

Keep the year freshness rule, but like Otakon, if an AMV won first place somewhere else before a certain date, it gets DQ'd.
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Re: Anime Expo 2012 AMV Contest Thread - WINNERS ANNOUNCED!!

Postby XStylus » Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:23 am

l33tmeatwad wrote:Trying to cut back on the number of entries you have to go through eh? lol...contest is probably gonna suffer a LOT of those are the rules. Not saying you won't get good videos, but some people do usually post online after the first convention it premieres at, so all of those videos would no longer qualify.


Yeah... I think I'll relax that for the first year or so. In future years after the event has re-established some clout I might decide to firm it back up, but for now, small steps.

Changed to:
b) Any entry that is publicly viewable online. Any public download links to your video must be pulled and remain offline until after the competition.

Kazemon15 wrote:I think it would be better to try and adapt Otakon's rules into AX...

I think it'll be easier instead of looking for every video that premiered online or at cons before AX.

Keep the year freshness rule, but like Otakon, if an AMV won first place somewhere else before a certain date, it gets DQ'd.


I do like the freshness principle behind Otakon's rule. I just don't like how it penalizes winners. I also would like to implement something that discourages videos where we're the last stop after a long tour of practically every other large con.
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Re: Anime Expo 2012 AMV Contest Thread - WINNERS ANNOUNCED!!

Postby Shin-AMV » Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:24 am

BasharOfTheAges wrote:C is fine. A and B are just ridiculous - they're more work for you, and you'll eventually screw up, and choose not to uniformly enforce that rule. You don't want to go back to punishing honest people for being honest.

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Kazemon15 wrote:I think it would be better to try and adapt Otakon's rules into AX...

I think it'll be easier instead of looking for every video that premiered online or at cons before AX.

Keep the year freshness rule, but like Otakon, if an AMV won first place somewhere else before a certain date, it gets DQ'd.

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Re: Anime Expo 2012 AMV Contest Thread - WINNERS ANNOUNCED!!

Postby machina21 » Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:19 pm

Shin-AMV wrote:
BasharOfTheAges wrote:C is fine. A and B are just ridiculous - they're more work for you, and you'll eventually screw up, and choose not to uniformly enforce that rule. You don't want to go back to punishing honest people for being honest.

This


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Re: Anime Expo 2012 AMV Contest Thread - WINNERS ANNOUNCED!!

Postby Rider4Z » Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:24 pm

Rule B states that if you have your video on the org already you're screwed.

I have a request/suggestion. ALLOW AVATAR IN THE COMPETITION :asd: can of worms has been opened, have fun.
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Re: Anime Expo 2012 AMV Contest Thread - WINNERS ANNOUNCED!!

Postby Cyrix » Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:31 pm

Personally I want everything to be fresh at the show, so sometimes I'm afraid to watch some of the regular finalists videos before AX. I never post a video I'm planning on submitting until after.

The editors behind me who spent the preshow complaining also criticized all of the videos in the list, since they'd seen them before. One of them joked "can I just vote for everything now and go home?"
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Re: Anime Expo 2012 AMV Contest Thread - WINNERS ANNOUNCED!!

Postby Seijin_Dinger » Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:06 pm

Rider4Z wrote:Rule B states that if you have your video on the org already you're screwed.

I have a request/suggestion. ALLOW AVATAR IN THE COMPETITION :asd: can of worms has been opened, have fun.


I have to disagree about Avatar being allowed in, since it is not Japanese in origin and that would open the door to all other western animation. Once you allow one thing you have to allow all others to be fair.

can of worms has been closed.
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Re: Anime Expo 2012 AMV Contest Thread - WINNERS ANNOUNCED!!

Postby Seijin_Dinger » Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:22 pm

here is the freshness rule I used

9: Entries must have been made during the time elapsed since the end of Sakura-Con 2011, and not won awards at more than two separate conventions.

The not won at more than 2 separate cons came into play this year, and I was asked why X video didnt make the finals. The entrant actually emailed me and pointed it out because they didnt see that rule before submitting.
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Re: Anime Expo 2012 AMV Contest Thread - WINNERS ANNOUNCED!!

Postby Brakus » Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:50 pm

Seijin_Dinger wrote:here is the freshness rule I used

9: Entries must have been made during the time elapsed since the end of Sakura-Con 2011, and not won awards at more than two separate conventions.

The not won at more than 2 separate cons came into play this year, and I was asked why X video didnt make the finals. The entrant actually emailed me and pointed it out because they didnt see that rule before submitting.


Yeah. I was about to say, make it a "nonwinners of 2 contests in its lifetime" rule, so that it won't be accused of trolling.

Otakon's rule has technically been "nonwinners of 1 contest other than AnimeNEXT" but that's only so that it doesn't "violate the spirit of the rule", so in essence Otakon is strictly a maiden affair. I tend to agree with Troy that *some* winners should have a shot at winning; I don't necessarily agree with multiple-award-winning videos going up against first-time starters though. Maybe you should make a category where all entrants have won at least 1 contest?
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