How are you organizing with your footage?

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How are you organizing with your footage?

Postby 5za » Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:20 am

Ok so I've been wondering about this for a long time - How do you go about collecting your footage for each AMV?
Do you have them cut and stored permanently or do you actually go hunt down clips each time you've got a song?

I mean collecting footage is THE most time consuming task in Amv making and some people work with the same anime in different songs ......so what are you doing? especially with action animes where you've just got that perfect move at the perfect beat but not much sense or meaning to the whole amv.
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Re: How are you organizing with your footage?

Postby Castor Troy » Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:59 am

From the capture to dvd ripping-making huffy/lagarith clips era (1999-2010 for me), I would always name my clips like "dbz_gokupunchesvegeta.avi".

Once I started using full dvd rips via avs scripts, my footage would be "DBZ_1-6.avs", "NarutoShippuden_1-4.avs".

I usually have a good knack of knowing where footage is and what episodes they're in.
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Re: How are you organizing with your footage?

Postby BasharOfTheAges » Mon Jun 11, 2012 12:13 pm

I use full DVD/BRD rips that I sub-clip in the NLE I'm working in and bin them based on whatever criteria I feel is appropriate (usually by character(s) - sometimes referencing "camera" actions like pans or transitions).

Having never made a massive various video, I've never hit the point where my process has become overly cumbersome in terms of storage, but I know it would take several TB of storage space to do what I do with even a 30 series video. I'm slowly building up a massive storage vault to handle the number of lossless files that are piling up on me.
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Re: How are you organizing with your footage?

Postby Rendakor » Mon Jun 11, 2012 5:08 pm

I'm like Bashar; I rip each episode into a lossless avi, then create subclips relevant to the video I'm working on with my NLE. I just bought a second 2TB hard drive to accommodate this as the first one filled up quickly once I got into making AMVs.
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Re: How are you organizing with your footage?

Postby pacotacoshell » Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:15 am

I throw all the episodes in Vegas, turn on the song that I'm editing to on repeat, and then get every possible clip that fits for my story. Then after that, I sift through everything again, looking for the ones that I really like out of the bunch. Then I just start editing. Sometimes if I have over an hour or two worth of clips, then I have to repeat step 3 and sift through them again.
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Re: How are you organizing with your footage?

Postby Kimberly » Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:09 am

I skim through my source with a video player, then I go to Vdub and cut clips that I plan on using from the source (they go from a few seconds to a few minutes). I don't name my clips anything related to the scenes, actually. I just number them from 1 to about 150ish for a full. Or I'll name them A-Z if it's just going to be something small. A while after I finish my video, or if I just don't feel like editing it anymore, I erase them from my computer. Don't have enough space on my laptop to save everything, and too broke to get an external! Hah.
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Re: How are you organizing with your footage?

Postby EvaFan » Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:33 am

I rip it all and create 1 avs file to edit with AWWW YEAAA... You bros that take forever finding, clipping, converting, and wasting HD space before even touching the NLE, I feel for you...

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How are you organizing with your footage?

Postby ngsilver » Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:49 am

I prefer to clip in my NLE as well. However, what I do is create the clips and place them on a separate timeline in order of when I clip them. Then I scrub that timeline for clips that I think will work for segments of the video. I keep the full eps also on another timeline with the clips removed from them so I know what I already have and can go back and find new clips if I need to.

The dance series are the only videos I've ever clipped outside the NLE, but that's because the gifs are clips themselves and any episode footage I use I just name the title and a number. I use screenshots and begin and ending frames to tell what each clip is.
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Re: How are you organizing with your footage?

Postby BasharOfTheAges » Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:17 am

EvaFan wrote:I rip it all and create 1 avs file to edit with AWWW YEAAA... You bros that take forever finding, clipping, converting, and wasting HD space before even touching the NLE, I feel for you...

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How do you ensure frame-accuracy, ease of scrubbing, or even HDD seek time not becoming an issue with 10+ hour long files?
Even I don't do massive multi-anime videos, but I can see a single AVS being a bitch to scrub through with, say, 20 different series in it at a minimum 5 hours/series.
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Re: How are you organizing with your footage?

Postby EvaFan » Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:36 am

I've never tried to edit with an avs file that had more than 26 episodes worth of footage on it, but if I was using alot more sources (I doubt I'll ever do another multisource AMV but who knows), I'd probably create an AVS file for each of them with a setmemorymax() limiter on them all, having 16gb ram helps alot though wouldn't have to limit alot if even having to limit at all. However I don't have seeking problems for the most part, I've blatantly told/showed how I do it on the avs forums. I don't recommend how I do things since mirk is against it but I'm not afraid to poke around at how easy everything is for me this way. 30+ fps with deinterlacing, color editing, temporal and spatial smoothing, and sometimes line darkening is very achievable with 6 cores at 4.0Ghz+MT and possibly even achievable with a high end graphics card + 4GHz single core like on the speed tests I showed there. Sometimes scrubbing stalls slightly if I'm scrubbing really fast but otherwise its not a problem. The clips on the timeline may not play at a viewable speed sometimes if I've added alot of fx to them but thats what rendering preview files is for. I honestly have no problems so there's no point to do any more work than necessary when it comes to source preperation. I've never had a problem with frame accuracy but I doubt even with a significantly long AVS file it would be a problem.

Assuming there was heavy problems with scrubbing or anything for that matter I just do the editing with only the deinterlacing and color filters applied then add all the cleaning filters after rendering.

I might try making a few avs files for all the sources I have ripped on my computer some time just to see how well multi avs editing goes with MT.
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Re: How are you organizing with your footage?

Postby Castor Troy » Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:13 pm

EvaFan wrote:I've never tried to edit with an avs file that had more than 26 episodes worth of footage on it, but if I was using alot more sources (I doubt I'll ever do another multisource AMV but who knows), I'd probably create an AVS file for each of them with a setmemorymax() limiter on them all, having 16gb ram helps alot though wouldn't have to limit alot if even having to limit at all. However I don't have seeking problems for the most part, I've blatantly told/showed how I do it on the avs forums. I don't recommend how I do things since mirk is against it but I'm not afraid to poke around at how easy everything is for me this way. 30+ fps with deinterlacing, color editing, temporal and spatial smoothing, and sometimes line darkening is very achievable with 6 cores at 4.0Ghz+MT and possibly even achievable with a high end graphics card + 4GHz single core like on the speed tests I showed there. Sometimes scrubbing stalls slightly if I'm scrubbing really fast but otherwise its not a problem. The clips on the timeline may not play at a viewable speed sometimes if I've added alot of fx to them but thats what rendering preview files is for. I honestly have no problems so there's no point to do any more work than necessary when it comes to source preperation. I've never had a problem with frame accuracy but I doubt even with a significantly long AVS file it would be a problem.

Assuming there was heavy problems with scrubbing or anything for that matter I just do the editing with only the deinterlacing and color filters applied then add all the cleaning filters after rendering.

I might try making a few avs files for all the sources I have ripped on my computer some time just to see how well multi avs editing goes with MT.


You probably want avs files for each dvd or per couple episodes... :shock:
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Re: How are you organizing with your footage?

Postby EvaFan » Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:36 pm

nah its no big deal having a full season or more on one avs file, you just scrub around for clips or if you already have ideas (most cases) u just leave markers everywhere so you can easily go back to those spots. Also it helps to have a bigger source window for a longer scrub line in the odd chance your just clicking around. One benefit I've come to enjoy alot about this method is that if for some reason I thought a part was cleaned bad or the whole thing could have been cleaned better I can just do it on the fly instead of making the clip or the whole source again.

Since I'm posting again:
EvaFan wrote:add all the cleaning filters after rendering.


Mistake, meant after editing and before rendering the final product. Adding cleaning filters to something already rendered would be a big mistake unless its very minimal.
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Re: How are you organizing with your footage?

Postby Zanzaben » Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:06 pm

Ok so I feel like I am doing this incredibly wrong right now. For me all of my anime are .mkv files (so that I can turn the subs on or off for when I am watching or working on a AMV). However Premier Pro doesn't like it when I try to import an mkv file so I go down and hunt for the clips each time (watching 1 or 2 episodes at a time at 4-8 times speed) . Once I find a clip I record that part into an uncompressed avi and throw that into Premier Pro. The problem I run into is that all my avi clips are massive in size so I can't really keep them. I am positive I am doing this in one of the most inefficient ways possible so people with experience in the video world a better method would be much appreciated.

This comes to mind http://xkcd.com/763/
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Re: How are you organizing with your footage?

Postby Haus Haberdasher » Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:04 pm

I make new clips for each new video, then store those on one of my external hard drives on the off chance that I'll need them for another video. I tend to only use about one third of the clips I make, so I guess there's a possibility that the unused ones could end up in another video. I can never bring myself to delete any clips, so I hoard them up.
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Re: How are you organizing with your footage?

Postby Taite » Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:48 am

I make a lagarith avi of every single episode in a series (unless it's a useless repeat like in NANA) and put it in their designated anime folder on my external drive. Then I import all of the episodes into Vegas, put them on the far right side of my timeline, mute their audio track or delete it, spread them out a bit so I can see where one episode starts and another ends, put the song I'm using on the far left side of the timeline, and from there I just edit the normal way, taking away clips from the episodes and putting them on the song.

I hate searching for clips I want to use before I make an amv and then encode those little bits because it's time consuming, boring, I'm way too lazy, and more often than not I find a better clip to be used. :| I'm typically very familiar with the sources I'm editing, but even if I don't know what I'm doing, it's a hell of a lot faster to be looking at the episode in Vegas rather than skimming in Vdub and picking and choosing small scenes. Also, it's less boring, and I always find new and better scenes.

And for me, a 1TB external drive covers everything. I'm not one of those crazy people with hundreds of anime anyhow. I have specific tastes, so I have about 20 anime. I don't like editing 50 episode anime though, like FMA, because the way I edit (putting all the episodes into a timeline) makes that more tedious, unless I'm really familiar with the source. But for me, I have movies, ovas, then 11-26 episode series. NANA is the only long series I have, and even if an anime is divided into two seasons, like Honey and Clover, it's fine. :P

Sometimes if I know I'm making an amv focused on two characters or whatever, I can eliminate some episodes, but I'll typically still put them all in, then just delete large chunks of episodes where the character doesn't appear to reduce clutter. I don't like not importing the episode at all though, even if they're only in it a bit, because I may miss even just a facial expression or a minor scene that's perfect. So even if it's a long anime like NANA, I still put in all the episodes. :nose: And for me, I don't have any issues navigating through them or becoming overwhelmed by all of the footage and excess scenes.

Oh, and I have no issues with vegas becoming slow because of this. When I edit, Vegas is the only thing that's open anyhow. It'll typically be a bit laggy to start with, but the longer I edit, the smoother it gets.

So even though it seems that the program would become slow and all that clicking around to get the scene I want would slow me down and making editing longer... I make all of my videos in under 4 hours typically, and those are full length, minimum 3 minute amvs. :?
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