The Lip Flapper : Volume 19 - Chiikaboom

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Re: The Lip Flapper : Volume 19 - Chiikaboom

Postby Shin-AMV » Tue May 15, 2012 7:13 pm

Ileia wrote:
CodeZTM wrote:I think what you said about making videos for the fandom is a really great thing that editors should do from time to time. I'll openly admit that I'm more about the concept of the video rather than the actual anime, and that's just generally how I like working on most videos. The one time I did edit for fun/fandom (my DRRR! video), it was a blast and I loved doing it. It's not something I want to do ALL the time, but it is indeed a fun thing to do. :)


Just because you don't love the anime doesn't mean it's not fun to edit. I'm on the extreme side since I rarely edit with anime I've seen, let alone anime that I like (which are few and far between, really), but that's just what I enjoy. That doesn't make it sad or mean that I take it too seriously, it's just a difference in values. Both views are completely valid, I'm not about to knock someone who makes videos because they love a show, I just may not necessarily appreciate that aspect. (And, like in Chiikaboom's case, the opposite is true.) But, anyway, my point is that I may see anime as stock footage of sorts, but that doesn't mean I'm all omg-super-srs-amvs-are-art-deep-meaning-concept-videos-only, it's possible to be on this end of the AMV spectrum and still have fun*. :up:


*I spend most of my editing time having giggle fits, actually. :lol:


I'm kinda 50/50, I've done edits where I haven't seen the anime at all, hate the anime, etc, and I've worked with stuff I get all giddy about (madoka, nichijou, etc <3)

I don't have a strong opinion either way whether or not AMVs are art or not, I can see artistic merits in some AMVs and appreciate the depth that some have, but at the same time it gets annoying when it becomes like you're at an art gallery and deconstructing how the color palletes come together to create specific moods or whatever and all the enjoyment is lost :/ Its kinda like saying you can't enjoy comic books cause they don't have redeeming literary value or something. I don't care I just wanna see Hulk smash and Virginia Wolfe is boring, you know? If Virginia Wolfe smashed though, that'd be something. :dino:

I've never been much for narratives either, and thats probably the one thing that people complain most to me about D: At the end of the day I really just like throwing cool looking and purdy clips on the track and hitting render cause its fun |:> Kinda rambling I guess, but sometimes people forget that all this is really just for funsies sometimes.
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Re: The Lip Flapper : Volume 19 - Chiikaboom

Postby Fall_Child42 » Tue May 15, 2012 7:21 pm

Of course AMVs are art.

The problem is when people attach an idea of, sacredness to the word 'art' and treat it as if it's this beautiful untouchable thing that only certain people can create.
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Re: The Lip Flapper : Volume 19 - Chiikaboom

Postby lloyd9988 » Tue May 15, 2012 7:34 pm

irriadin wrote:Next week's interview should certainly provide a compelling contrast with this week's :o


Hmm. . .

Spoiler :
Ileia wrote:Just because you don't love the anime doesn't mean it's not fun to edit. I'm on the extreme side since I rarely edit with anime I've seen, let alone anime that I like (which are few and far between, really), but that's just what I enjoy. That doesn't make it sad or mean that I take it too seriously, it's just a difference in values. Both views are completely valid, I'm not about to knock someone who makes videos because they love a show, I just may not necessarily appreciate that aspect. (And, like in Chiikaboom's case, the opposite is true.) But, anyway, my point is that I may see anime as stock footage of sorts, but that doesn't mean I'm all omg-super-srs-amvs-are-art-deep-meaning-concept-videos-only, it's possible to be on this end of the AMV spectrum and still have fun*. :up:


*I spend most of my editing time having giggle fits, actually. :lol:


This person or some artistic person whom everyone is gaga over their videos because they have such artistic fandom to them :awesome:

Anyway, I never really watched or liked chiikaboom vids except Fluffy Kittens and Rainbows but I do love that she makes her videos for herself and her fans. ^_^ Yey for Yu Yu Hakusho!! :D fyi, I luv your formspring, most of your answers always seem to make me laugh :rofl:
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Re: The Lip Flapper : Volume 19 - Chiikaboom

Postby irriadin » Tue May 15, 2012 7:38 pm

Fall_Child42 wrote:Of course AMVs are art.

The problem is when people attach an idea of, sacredness to the word 'art' and treat it as if it's this beautiful untouchable thing that only certain people can create.


x2

Some people hear the word "art" and instantly think of like, a Monet painting in a museum. It doesn't have to be that way!
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Re: The Lip Flapper : Volume 19 - Chiikaboom

Postby BasharOfTheAges » Tue May 15, 2012 7:54 pm

Fall_Child42 wrote:Of course AMVs are art.

The problem is when people attach an idea of, sacredness to the word 'art' and treat it as if it's this beautiful untouchable thing that only certain people can create.

case in point - dada. Or "found art" or any other form of modern art. Pretty much destroyed any meaning the word may have had. It can and should be used to describe anything and everything. It's about as descriptive as pointing at something and going "that's a thing."
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Re: The Lip Flapper : Volume 19 - Chiikaboom

Postby Chiikaboom » Tue May 15, 2012 8:07 pm

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Lots of the responses here make me feel like i'm the only person who edits this way. ~_~;

The fact that a person like me who loves anime and makes amvs and wants to see her favorite scenes to good music is such a rare thing here makes me wonder why this site is called animemusicvideos.org. Why are we restricting the footage to anime then when lots of people dont even watch or like what they're editing with? If you have fun doing that.. okay.. but it baffles me how thats the majority and my views on amvs is such a rare thing. Hell even in the latest IC round we aren't using anime! It seems to me that for a site dedicated to the creation of anime music videos... theres sure a real lack of actual anime fans.

And the whole art deal.. i'm still confused as to why it even matters? Is something that one doesn't consider art automatically have no creative merit? I mean.. I watch an amv and I can't sit there and be like "this is art". Thats just the way I think, and it shouldn't matter since art is subjective. When tell someone is wrong for thinking amvs are arent or doesn't, you're not helping with the whole pretentiousness associated with the word 'art'.

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Re: The Lip Flapper : Volume 19 - Chiikaboom

Postby Shin-AMV » Tue May 15, 2012 8:25 pm

I think a more important question then whether amvs are art or not, and that was inconviently left out of the interview, is why must the aardvarks be flended? O:
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Re: The Lip Flapper : Volume 19 - Chiikaboom

Postby pacotacoshell » Tue May 15, 2012 8:26 pm

Awesome read!

I really understand where's she's coming from with the "I edit because I'm an anime fan" statement. All of her new HxH videos just made me want to reread the manga! I don't know why, bu I naturally steered clear of some of my favorite series like HxH and Getbackers. I guess I subconsciously thought those series were overused and never used them. But now this makes me all the more willing to use them in a chain of amvs! :D
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Re: The Lip Flapper : Volume 19 - Chiikaboom

Postby Ileia » Tue May 15, 2012 8:27 pm

Chiikaboom wrote:Lots of the responses here make me feel like i'm the only person who edits this way. ~_~;

The fact that a person like me who loves anime and makes amvs and wants to see her favorite scenes to good music is such a rare thing here makes me wonder why this site is called animemusicvideos.org. Why are we restricting the footage to anime then when lots of people dont even watch or like what they're editing with? If you have fun doing that.. okay.. but it baffles me how thats the majority and my views on amvs is such a rare thing. Hell even in the latest IC round we aren't using anime! It seems to me that for a site dedicated to the creation of anime music videos... theres sure a real lack of actual anime fans.


Umm...what? Did you miss these?

Kazemon15 wrote:I also agree that AMVs are solely about the anime and song you want to edit with and as long as you have fun editing it as well. :up:

BasharOfTheAges wrote:I play the other end of the coin a lot and watch shows based entirely on awesome videos those obsessive fans found the drive to make.

Shin-AMV wrote:I have to agree, a lot of editors forget about the fandom and love for the anime that go into AMVs, which is sadness.

siny wrote:Making a video with an anime and song we love is so much more fun.

CodeZTM wrote:I think what you said about making videos for the fandom is a really great thing that editors should do from time to time.


Even just in this thread, you're so not in the minority, I'm not sure where you're getting that idea, aside from my one post. :p
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Re: The Lip Flapper : Volume 19 - Chiikaboom

Postby Kimberly » Tue May 15, 2012 8:35 pm

I remember that Re-Evo chat too =)

I like your vids a lot Chii. I'm glad you edit because you like to, and don't really care much about what people think <3
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Re: The Lip Flapper : Volume 19 - Chiikaboom

Postby CodeZTM » Tue May 15, 2012 8:35 pm

Shin-AMV wrote:I think a more important question then whether amvs are art or not


I'm on it for a future panel series. :up:
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Re: The Lip Flapper : Volume 19 - Chiikaboom

Postby TritioAFB » Tue May 15, 2012 8:36 pm

Everything that you make, even when you write or sing is art. Art is everywhere, the problem comes when you got only 1 vision about it and you can't simply move to other idea. The AMVs are not an exception. But it's true that is a hobby in first place, not a professional 'career' unless someone here gains money making AMVs :O

The idea of putting together the music and the anime is the reason why all we're here. Perhaps the reason you've left the org was because sometimes we instead of simply enjoying the videos, we're like the Judges of 'Editing for a Dream' or we simply think the AMV should be made at only 1 way, avoiding the overused footages and simply limiting the imagination.
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Re: The Lip Flapper : Volume 19 - Chiikaboom

Postby irriadin » Tue May 15, 2012 8:36 pm

Chiikaboom wrote:And the whole art deal.. i'm still confused as to why it even matters? Is something that one doesn't consider art automatically have no creative merit?


To a certain point, the whole "is it art?" argument is tired and overblown. But I wasn't saying what's bolded... the opposite, in fact. Even if you don't consider your own stuff as "art" it still classifies as it :P . I agree with Bashar as well. It's largely a meaningless classification. But that doesn't stop people from labeling certain videos as "artistic." Take that for what you will.

Chiikaboom wrote:I mean.. I watch an amv and I can't sit there and be like "this is art". Thats just the way I think, and it shouldn't matter since art is subjective. When tell someone is wrong for thinking amvs are arent or doesn't, you're not helping with the whole pretentiousness associated with the word 'art'.


I also don't sit there and think about whether an AMV is art. In fact, I usually don't even think about the story / concept until I've watched the video multiple times, and it's evident that the editor put emphasis on it. You take from an AMV what you want... if it works for you just because it uses an anime you like and is well-made, then that's great! There are multiple ways to enjoy a video, there is no "right" or "wrong" way.
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Re: The Lip Flapper : Volume 19 - Chiikaboom

Postby Shin-AMV » Tue May 15, 2012 8:37 pm

will someone please think of the aardvarks!? ;_;
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Re: The Lip Flapper : Volume 19 - Chiikaboom

Postby BasharOfTheAges » Tue May 15, 2012 8:38 pm

I'd wager the bulk of people wouldn't describe themselves as big anime fans. That isn't to say they don't like it, but there are lots of levels of interest between weaboo and no interest whatsoever. How they choose to label it varies greatly from person to person.

Personally, I don't consider myself a big fan of anything. It's unhealthy to be obsessive... and I apparently lack the emotional capacity to feel joy.

I think this could possibly be a simple lack of defined terminology. A communications problem of sorts.
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