JCAs 2012 - Results are OUT! [on page 9~]

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Re: JCAs 2012 - Finishing touches

Postby AyumiNeko » Tue Mar 06, 2012 10:02 am

Nya-chan Production wrote:Best First Video (56)
Riddy - Jealous Love (37)
EllipseIris - Eat Me Alive (35)


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Re: JCAs 2012 - Results are OUT! [on page 9~]

Postby CodeZTM » Tue Mar 06, 2012 10:50 am

If I had to give out a Judge's Choice Award, mine would go to Jadecharm for Fame. The choreography/lip sync was just beautiful and it was a great video that shows us that dance videos can have a pretty solid concept outside of just basic dancing. A few editing "quirks" here and there that bugged me, but overall it was just a fantastic piece. [Also, it's freaking viral at my office. One of my coworkers got into my AMV playlist and saw it, thinking it was a cartoon Backstreet Boys music video from the 90's. xD]
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Re: JCAs 2012 - Results are OUT! [on page 9~]

Postby Echotrooper_ah » Tue Mar 06, 2012 3:14 pm

Nice :D

Radical_Yue wrote:Fun times :3

My judges choice would have to go to Artistic Anarchy by Echotrooper. Easily one of my favorite videos of the year :D


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Re: JCAs 2012 - Results are OUT! [on page 9~]

Postby MimS » Tue Mar 06, 2012 3:46 pm

Just comparing notes we, judges, gave in action category, I feel like there should be, if possible, a final discussion between judges to "fix" things... I mean, reading all sheets, I judge feel like Ringleader is a winner by default, judges' ops are just so different.
I give a 7 to Puella Royale when S.A.Robert give it a 2, it's just nonsense, for sure each one judges vids his own way but just considering all marks with mathematics is not enough. I dont' mean I was right giving it a 7 but S.A.Robert and me should be able to discuss why there is such a difference in our common judgement...

Anyway, about special prizes :
"The potential editor of the year that we all forgot" : Kitty&Galia (I blame myself for not having thought to add them in finalists)
"The fucking great vid that uses shitty French song" : Puella Royale - Warlike Swans (read : it's possible to make people appreciate a vid with music they dislike)
"The editor who'll never win best Action despite he deserves it" : Dn@

And MimS' choice : Odissey - Heroes of Tomorrow
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Re: JCAs 2012 - Results are OUT! [on page 9~]

Postby BasharOfTheAges » Tue Mar 06, 2012 4:20 pm

Rank voting like the kind used here does allow for some interesting voting strategies. You essentially have degrees of up-votes and down-votes or kill votes to take others out of the running with.
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Re: JCAs 2012 - Results are OUT! [on page 9~]

Postby l33tmeatwad » Tue Mar 06, 2012 4:21 pm

BasharOfTheAges wrote:Rank voting like the kind used here does allow for some interesting voting strategies. You essentially have degrees of up-votes and down-votes or kill votes to take others out of the running with.

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Re: JCAs 2012 - Results are OUT! [on page 9~]

Postby Nya-chan Production » Tue Mar 06, 2012 6:33 pm

BasharOfTheAges wrote:Rank voting like the kind used here does allow for some interesting voting strategies. You essentially have degrees of up-votes and down-votes or kill votes to take others out of the running with.

I am open to better ideas~ ^^

I haven't read much about voting strategies, I am afraid, so any idea that's reasonable and would help to make this... interesting, or "more fair" (however you feel that term should be taken wwww) is welcome~
I have already separated the voting sheets because of fear that looking at other's sheets, even unconsciously, can alter your decisions a bit. We're only human after all ^^;;
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Re: JCAs 2012 - Results are OUT! [on page 9~]

Postby TritioAFB » Tue Mar 06, 2012 7:28 pm

There's variety which is something appreciated.

But for example, if you ask me, my judging methods are not based in how popular a video is, neither if it has effects or not. I based them in terms of creatives components, and review ability, which is very important, because I found several videos that were good technically, but that lack review ability.

To the rest of judges:

I was curious also about that difference between the rankings, perhaps we need to talk which parameters you used for judging
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Re: JCAs 2012 - Results are OUT! [on page 9~]

Postby BasharOfTheAges » Tue Mar 06, 2012 7:38 pm

Nya-chan Production wrote:
BasharOfTheAges wrote:Rank voting like the kind used here does allow for some interesting voting strategies. You essentially have degrees of up-votes and down-votes or kill votes to take others out of the running with.

I am open to better ideas~ ^^

I haven't read much about voting strategies, I am afraid, so any idea that's reasonable and would help to make this... interesting, or "more fair" (however you feel that term should be taken wwww) is welcome~
I have already separated the voting sheets because of fear that looking at other's sheets, even unconsciously, can alter your decisions a bit. We're only human after all ^^;;

it isn't bad perse, so long, of course, as those voting with such a system have the primary motive of participation in an exercise and not one to game the system so that their views are the ones expressed in the end. All boils down to trust in the people judging.
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Re: JCAs 2012 - Results are OUT! [on page 9~]

Postby Nya-chan Production » Wed Mar 07, 2012 4:14 am

BasharOfTheAges wrote:
Nya-chan Production wrote:
BasharOfTheAges wrote:Rank voting like the kind used here does allow for some interesting voting strategies. You essentially have degrees of up-votes and down-votes or kill votes to take others out of the running with.

I am open to better ideas~ ^^

I haven't read much about voting strategies, I am afraid, so any idea that's reasonable and would help to make this... interesting, or "more fair" (however you feel that term should be taken wwww) is welcome~
I have already separated the voting sheets because of fear that looking at other's sheets, even unconsciously, can alter your decisions a bit. We're only human after all ^^;;

it isn't bad perse, so long, of course, as those voting with such a system have the primary motive of participation in an exercise and not one to game the system so that their views are the ones expressed in the end. All boils down to trust in the people judging.

Yeah, I am afraid most of the systems are ^^;;

I, as a judge, for example admit that I was totally unphased by PencilHead - it bored me to no end at most parts - and as such it got maybe lower scores at places than it should've gotten. But well, it didn't stop it anyway, which I guess is fine~
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Re: JCAs 2012 - Results are OUT! [on page 9~]

Postby BasharOfTheAges » Wed Mar 07, 2012 12:10 pm

Nya-chan Production wrote:
BasharOfTheAges wrote:it isn't bad perse, so long, of course, as those voting with such a system have the primary motive of participation in an exercise and not one to game the system so that their views are the ones expressed in the end. All boils down to trust in the people judging.

Yeah, I am afraid most of the systems are ^^;;

I, as a judge, for example admit that I was totally unphased by PencilHead - it bored me to no end at most parts - and as such it got maybe lower scores at places than it should've gotten. But well, it didn't stop it anyway, which I guess is fine~

Totally. Which is why I just say it's interesting, and not flawed. The other common alternative to ranking, scoring, has all the same draw-backs (people could simply choose to do ranking voting in a scoring system) and more (because everyone sets up their scoring rubric differently, some people have more of a say in the final results than others) and the only advantage it gives (in an open vote system like this) is you can see evidence of gaming more easily (the participants can't have a clear "I had to rank some things that low" cop-out if confronted - if they '10' one thing and '1' everything else, they're obviously too biased to be a good judge). Most alterations to scoring systems (like the one the site uses with top 10%) work only with a large sample sets. Olympic scoring for things like gymnastics, skating, diving, etc. (i.e. dropping a set number of highs, and lows, and either summing or averaging based on how you feel) is more in line with a small group of judges.
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Re: JCAs 2012 - Results are OUT! [on page 9~]

Postby Vlad G Pohnert » Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:46 pm

Well, the only one award I'd be kind of careful in dishing out would be the "Lifetime Achievement award" to only give it out once means it needs to be defined what lifetime really is.

Generally IMO it means someone who has spent a considerable time establishing themselves and has a profound influence in his career. IMO the only persons that are eligible for example would be editors like Godix and Roll the Stampede or possibly editors that where here a long time and pretty much retired. To give to someone still very active and not quite finished when they might even peak a lot more and only given once just does not define the award for me at all..

Hence good choice on Godix (I don’t disagree there), but I would suggest a much more finer stricter evaluation and guidelines for it if you’re going to go with this award.

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Re: JCAs 2012 - Results are OUT! [on page 9~]

Postby Nya-chan Production » Wed Mar 07, 2012 4:53 pm

Vlad G Pohnert wrote:Well, the only one award I'd be kind of careful in dishing out would be the "Lifetime Achievement award" to only give it out once means it needs to be defined what lifetime really is.

Generally IMO it means someone who has spent a considerable time establishing themselves and has a profound influence in his career. IMO the only persons that are eligible for example would be editors like Godix and Roll the Stampede or possibly editors that where here a long time and pretty much retired. To give to someone still very active and not quite finished when they might even peak a lot more and only given once just does not define the award for me at all..

Hence good choice on Godix (I don’t disagree there), but I would suggest a much more finer stricter evaluation and guidelines for it if you’re going to go with this award.

Vlad

The judges were actually told more info on that topic. I was just dead tired by the time I got to writing down the results of that award ^^;;
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Re: JCAs 2012 - Results are OUT! [on page 9~]

Postby TritioAFB » Thu Mar 08, 2012 8:17 am

Vlad G Pohnert wrote:Well, the only one award I'd be kind of careful in dishing out would be the "Lifetime Achievement award" to only give it out once means it needs to be defined what lifetime really is.

Generally IMO it means someone who has spent a considerable time establishing themselves and has a profound influence in his career. IMO the only persons that are eligible for example would be editors like Godix and Roll the Stampede or possibly editors that where here a long time and pretty much retired. To give to someone still very active and not quite finished when they might even peak a lot more and only given once just does not define the award for me at all..

Hence good choice on Godix (I don’t disagree there), but I would suggest a much more finer stricter evaluation and guidelines for it if you’re going to go with this award.

Vlad


Completely agreed here. I was also thinking about someone that has done extraordinary labors in sake of the amv world
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Re: JCAs 2012 - Results are OUT! [on page 9~]

Postby kiarrens » Fri Mar 09, 2012 4:21 pm

Came in last in both my categories, but I'm just glad to have made the finals. :)

Congratulations to everyone, all these videos are so amazing!
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