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Pencilhead help

Postby Boneripper » Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:00 am

So I was looking at this "making of pencil effect" part of qwaqa's amazing pencilhead video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prqdN8vsTrg

i was trying to follow those steps to make a similar effect, however I don't really understand what to do here and there, is there anyone who could explain more in depth, I'm not a total noob but Im not all that experienced either, what gets me is first "Layer3: adjustment" which gives me with no information I guess? but I made some corrections to achive the same look and continued then I stumbled upon the white stroke and blur part, which said the effects, but again I couldt really make it as "static" as he did, well I continued anyway but then I got stuck, it says "layer 5 + layer 6" then a bunch off effects, what does the + mean ? and also It says "add" then "multiply" I guess I missed something cause It looks bonkers when I make it multiply.

any help is greatly appreciated.
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Re: Pencilhead help

Postby Niotex » Sun Feb 26, 2012 6:40 pm

Qwaqa doesn't really do a good job of explaining the process, but one can't blame him as it's hard to really give insight into those things. There are a couple of ways of achieving the effect all have their pros and cons. I can't really tell you what or why he made certain adjustments. But if you're willing and patient I can give you a possible alternative. Though this might not reflect the exact same end result as I have a different way of working obviously.

Would've replied earlier but was busy.
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Re: Pencilhead help

Postby Boneripper » Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:00 am

Ofcourse, any help anyone can give in the matter is much appreciated :)
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Re: Pencilhead help

Postby Niotex » Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:08 pm

I'll do a mockup later tonight.

/edit- Mockup as promised.

http://youtu.be/EWGmB1PG1hM?hd=1

I realized afterwards that I forgot the directional blur and added a little too much texture. If you have any questions just shoot a reply and I'll address it accordingly.
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Re: Pencilhead help

Postby Replay Studios » Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:17 pm

Niotex wrote:I'll do a mockup later tonight.

/edit- Mockup as promised.

http://youtu.be/EWGmB1PG1hM?hd=1

I realized afterwards that I forgot the directional blur and added a little too much texture. If you have any questions just shoot a reply and I'll address it accordingly.


It always cool to see people helping each other ^^
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Re: Pencilhead help

Postby lloyd9988 » Mon Feb 27, 2012 11:37 pm

Replay Studios wrote:
Niotex wrote:I'll do a mockup later tonight.

/edit- Mockup as promised.

http://youtu.be/EWGmB1PG1hM?hd=1

I realized afterwards that I forgot the directional blur and added a little too much texture. If you have any questions just shoot a reply and I'll address it accordingly.


It always cool to see people helping each other ^^


x2 :awesome:
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Re: Pencilhead help

Postby SuijinReflx » Tue Feb 28, 2012 5:50 am

lloyd9988 wrote:
Replay Studios wrote:
Niotex wrote:I'll do a mockup later tonight.

/edit- Mockup as promised.

http://youtu.be/EWGmB1PG1hM?hd=1

I realized afterwards that I forgot the directional blur and added a little too much texture. If you have any questions just shoot a reply and I'll address it accordingly.


It always cool to see people helping each other ^^


x2 :awesome:

x3 :up: I dont really think the pencil head graphics will be too useful but its definitely good for learning new stuff
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Re: Pencilhead help

Postby Boneripper » Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:20 am

Niotex wrote:I'll do a mockup later tonight.

/edit- Mockup as promised.

http://youtu.be/EWGmB1PG1hM?hd=1

I realized afterwards that I forgot the directional blur and added a little too much texture. If you have any questions just shoot a reply and I'll address it accordingly.


First of all thanks SO much for the help it's really super nice!

It's a very well made and easy to understand video but somehow I mess something up, it looks good but there is a problem with the last layer, when I use "Channel Combiner" and chose Alpha the stuff outside of the mask (which shouldn't be visible since I'm using a mask) gets visible, am I stupid or missing something here?
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Re: Pencilhead help

Postby Niotex » Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:18 pm

If you could post a picture of your comp/timeline and corresponding channel combiner effects window I'm sure we can have a look. Before that I'd recommend trying to pre-compose the mask as the mask itself might be doing something weird to the alpha.

So just Pre-compose it similarly to how I was working in the tutorial and apply everything on that rather than a direct copy of the mask. It shouldn't cause problems with any soft edges considering you don't have a active camera lens blur on your character like I did on mine. Which was completely unneeded on my part I just forgot to disable it on the original.

If that doesn't work just post the screens and I'll have a look. Just woke up so pardon me jumping around.
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Re: Pencilhead help

Postby Boneripper » Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:09 pm

Not sure exactly what to take pictures of but I took of the 3 layers (excluding the pencil textures that doesn't have any effect on them)
and also I unchecked the effect that is "causing" the problem. Tell me if you need an image of anything else and I'll take it.

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Re: Pencilhead help

Postby Niotex » Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:47 pm

The layer "Third" as well as the layer "Second" should be disabled. As we're merely using those as trackmatte so we don't need to actually see it. Just click on the little eye on the far left of the layer to disable them.
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Re: Pencilhead help

Postby Boneripper » Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:05 pm

Right, that looks better actually, but the problem still remains sadly
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Re: Pencilhead help

Postby Niotex » Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:12 pm

If you could upload the project file I'll have a look. As I'm somewhat confused as to why it's happening.
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Re: Pencilhead help

Postby Boneripper » Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:16 pm

is it enough with the project file without the files used in the composition ?
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Re: Pencilhead help

Postby Niotex » Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:17 pm

Yeah should be fine, I'll plug in a proxy file.
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