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Youtube link slot?

Postby gotegenks » Sun Feb 19, 2012 3:50 pm

I think "direct links" to youtube are allowed, right? so how about we make a slot labeled "youtube"

"direct", "indirect", "local", "preview", "youtube"

it would help with the whole "uploading is too hard" stuff and encourage youtube editors to upload here. A friend of mine is having issues uploading to the Org because his programs aren't working right at all so he can't get a filesize under 150 mb and he's tried to fix it but in the end he's just like "fuck it" and doesn't think it's worth it, and i can't say i'd feel any different, but with a youtube slot, link, whatever, you wouldn't feel like a scrub direct linking to youtube.
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Re: Youtube link slot?

Postby Nya-chan Production » Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:17 pm

Youtube links, in fact, shouldn't be entered at all, since you can't really download the video from YT right there.

Also, in that moment nobody ever uploads and 95% of the videos just link to YT.
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Re: Youtube link slot?

Postby Nya-chan Production » Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:18 pm

(Needless to say, we can't really offer 1GB of space for every piece as YouTube does. More space? Sure, with waaaaay more donations :3 )
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Re: Youtube link slot?

Postby irriadin » Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:30 pm

Also, we'd end up with a ton of AMV's with dead links because of all the takedown requests AMV's on YouTube suffer.
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Re: Youtube link slot?

Postby BasharOfTheAges » Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:19 am

It's also not very proper to encourage breaking other sites terms of service like that.
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Re: Youtube link slot?

Postby JaddziaDax » Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:16 am

Yeah, even though I use the tubes, I'ma have to say no... I dont like the idea with ending up with a bunch of dead links, blocked links, and muted video links.
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Re: Youtube link slot?

Postby gotegenks » Mon Feb 20, 2012 11:21 am

I've just been seeing kariudo make those catalog entries for noobs in the announcements and they almost always lead to youtube, and then people comment like it's no big deal. Why would everyone suddenly STOP uploading? I figure it would just bring in new talent and some of those will be inclined to learn how to upload if they can stay and hang while they do it without being forced to before they get a comment on their video.

dead links...okay, but i've heard a lot here that the purpose of this site is to ARCHIVE videos, and iirc (i might not) something on the website encourages you to enter in all the work you've done with or without a download link, so is this worse than no links at all? It's still an entry, still a record, still an archive. Besides, most of the videos here are so old that most of the non-local links are dead anyway (-cough- megaupload), and nobody complains about that.

It's breaking youtube's TOS to link to their site? How? not saying it isn't, that just seems weird, i link to youtube all the damn time (in chats).

didn't know they made you a mod jaddzia, congrats :O
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Re: Youtube link slot?

Postby Nya-chan Production » Mon Feb 20, 2012 2:04 pm

gote wrote:I've just been seeing kariudo make those catalog entries for noobs in the announcements and they almost always lead to youtube, and then people comment like it's no big deal. Why would everyone suddenly STOP uploading? I figure it would just bring in new talent and some of those will be inclined to learn how to upload if they can stay and hang while they do it without being forced to before they get a comment on their video.

dead links...okay, but i've heard a lot here that the purpose of this site is to ARCHIVE videos, and iirc (i might not) something on the website encourages you to enter in all the work you've done with or without a download link, so is this worse than no links at all? It's still an entry, still a record, still an archive. Besides, most of the videos here are so old that most of the non-local links are dead anyway (-cough- megaupload), and nobody complains about that.

It's breaking youtube's TOS to link to their site? How? not saying it isn't, that just seems weird, i link to youtube all the damn time (in chats).

didn't know they made you a mod jaddzia, congrats :O

All of that sounds pretty reasonable actually. Will discuss it with other mods, can't guarantee more :<
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Re: Youtube link slot?

Postby BasharOfTheAges » Mon Feb 20, 2012 3:47 pm

Not against their TOS to link, against their TOS to upload copyrighted material without the owner's approval. "everyone does it" is not a valid legal excuse.
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Re: Youtube link slot?

Postby gotegenks » Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:04 pm

Oh, i get it. I understand about wanting to be proper but legal excuses are out of the question here anyway, so it would only be a matter of courtesy to youtube which this decision, either way we decide, is not going to matter to anyone at google. I only see it helping them a really miniscule amount not even worth mentioning ad everyone uses youtube already, but not hurting them since theres no way in hell this site could conpete with youtube in a significant way. They probably make tons of money off of editors anyway.

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Re: Youtube link slot?

Postby BasharOfTheAges » Mon Feb 20, 2012 5:57 pm

I'm totally for a better way to report dead links for removal, though, that you mentioned it.
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Re: Youtube link slot?

Postby Shin-AMV » Tue Feb 21, 2012 1:34 am

gote wrote:I've just been seeing kariudo make those catalog entries for noobs in the announcements and they almost always lead to youtube, and then people comment like it's no big deal. Why would everyone suddenly STOP uploading? I figure it would just bring in new talent and some of those will be inclined to learn how to upload if they can stay and hang while they do it without being forced to before they get a comment on their video.

dead links...okay, but i've heard a lot here that the purpose of this site is to ARCHIVE videos, and iirc (i might not) something on the website encourages you to enter in all the work you've done with or without a download link, so is this worse than no links at all? It's still an entry, still a record, still an archive. Besides, most of the videos here are so old that most of the non-local links are dead anyway (-cough- megaupload), and nobody complains about that.

It's breaking youtube's TOS to link to their site? How? not saying it isn't, that just seems weird, i link to youtube all the damn time (in chats).

didn't know they made you a mod jaddzia, congrats :O


This sounds like a pretty valid point to me. As much as I want people to actually upload here and not just redirect to youtube, this would still be a pretty decent shot in the right direction of even just getting stuff catalogued here and encouraging people to just show up here in the first place.
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Re: Youtube link slot?

Postby JaddziaDax » Tue Feb 21, 2012 1:35 pm

What, I'm not allowed to have an opinion if I'm not a mod? I never said they made me a mod, I just stated my opinion. You seriously need to get over being up my ass. WTF.

I still believe my opinion stands, and yes people DO complain about all the dead links, along with people asking how to download videos that have dead links/no links. I also agree with bashar's point, just didn't feel the need to repeat it.

This discussion has been brought up before and was shot down then too.

Perhaps we should you know actually do that mythical site update, fix how we can upload, and offer the option of streaming only just as we have download only.
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Re: Youtube link slot?

Postby Shin-AMV » Tue Feb 21, 2012 2:14 pm

JaddziaDax wrote:Perhaps we should you know actually do that mythical site update, fix how we can upload, and offer the option of streaming only just as we have download only.

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Re: Youtube link slot?

Postby gotegenks » Tue Feb 21, 2012 2:53 pm

Dang, it was just cause you said "sorry, ima have to say no," really didnt expect you to get so mad over it my bad. I had no problem with your opinion, irriadin had the exact same issue and i addressed that. Again, sorry for the little quip.

Also, as far as the mythical site update, i Say instead of praying for that we should start thinking of an org redesign that could take place with minimal coding. Things like announcement previews for non-donators. If this youtube thing holds, that will be incentive to learn to upload too. Or a few forum rearrangements, idk, i see a lot of really simple things we can do to fix this site and improve it, we dont need an entirely new website in my opinion (when did they make ME a mod :ying: ) as long as the whole "org redesign will happen" mentality is around, people are just going todo exactly what you did. Instead of fixing things now, everyone will put it off for that utopian org future.

I would support the org redesign happening now, but the lack of coders argument has gotten to me and so i feel bad suggesting things that would take a lot of coding or work (since im not a coder myself) and idk if youre a coder, but i believe instead of leaving all the hard stuff to them, we need to take it on ourselves to be more creative with what we have now and think of things that need minimal to zero coding.

Or we could all learn how to code and pitch in! :P
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