The Semifinal "Oops" Thread

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The Semifinal "Oops" Thread

Postby GloryQuestor » Sun Feb 05, 2012 5:23 pm

Well... we're human, we admit it.

So, if you see any semifinal video that you think shouldn't be in the following categories, PM me and we'll review it:

- Best No-Effects Video
- Best First Video
- Best Use of Instrumental Music

As for the rest, they are either bound to their categories or it's going to be let the viewers decide.

If you have any questions about this, please let me know here.
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Re: The Semifinal "Oops" Thread

Postby TritioAFB » Sun Feb 05, 2012 5:51 pm

Best No Effects - PencilHead
Best First Video - I still insist there are several editors there that it's not their first time making a video, but since someone else mentioned that what it counts is to upload the first time here than making it first, I'll like to know what the administration thinks. Examples of editors I mean here: Rena Sun, Safira, S.A. Robert
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Re: The Semifinal "Oops" Thread

Postby BasharOfTheAges » Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:11 am

Thank you for this thread. It's good to have a visible procedure in place. :up:
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Re: The Semifinal "Oops" Thread

Postby Kitsuner » Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:15 am

Anime Nations of the World should not be eligible for Best MEP. It's a collab. The very nature of those categories mean that there can be no shared nominations between them.
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Re: The Semifinal "Oops" Thread

Postby Shin-AMV » Mon Feb 06, 2012 11:10 am

Kitsuner wrote:Anime Nations of the World should not be eligible for Best MEP. It's a collab. The very nature of those categories mean that there can be no shared nominations between them.


Maybe its like Schrodinger's Cat, and it can be seen as both a MEP and collab. We won't know for sure until we check, but we should double check with our friend Wigner just to be sure.

Also, Written in the Spirals should probably be removed from Best No-Effects. :bear:
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Re: The Semifinal "Oops" Thread

Postby Rider4Z » Mon Feb 06, 2012 7:50 pm

Shin-AMV wrote:
Kitsuner wrote:Anime Nations of the World should not be eligible for Best MEP. It's a collab. The very nature of those categories mean that there can be no shared nominations between them.


Maybe its like Schrodinger's Cat, and it can be seen as both a MEP and collab. We won't know for sure until we check, but we should double check with our friend Wigner just to be sure.

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Re: The Semifinal "Oops" Thread

Postby GloryQuestor » Tue Feb 07, 2012 10:40 am

I fixed Pencilhead and Written in the Spirals.

Kitsuner wrote:Anime Nations of the World should not be eligible for Best MEP. It's a collab. The very nature of those categories mean that there can be no shared nominations between them.


Based on the definition of the collaborative video by the :book: , it is a collaboration as it is two or more editors working together with a video on a single song track. MEP is where you have two or more editors working with a video project that has more than one song track featured. We also linked examples of the difference between the two, and looking at "Anime Nations of the World", it is definitely more like "I Walk Alone" and less like "AMV Hell".

TritioAFB wrote:Best First Video - I still insist there are several editors there that it's not their first time making a video, but since someone else mentioned that what it counts is to upload the first time here than making it first, I'll like to know what the administration thinks. Examples of editors I mean here: Rena Sun, Safira, S.A. Robert


This is one of those categories (like so many) that are more member-driven than something that can be given a definite answer to. Unless there is clear evidence that they've been producing finished AMVs for a long time (possible, but hard to prove :sweat: ), the best all of the members are encouraged to do is simply make an informed decision as to which of the Best First Video semifinalists can move on to the finals.
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Re: The Semifinal "Oops" Thread

Postby TritioAFB » Tue Feb 07, 2012 10:55 am

I don't have any problem bringing evidence, because what I mean is that it will be discouraging for several editors in that category that in fact, it's their first time editing, to lose to editors that have been already editing for a while but decided to upload until last year. It's not fair for them :roll:
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Re: The Semifinal "Oops" Thread

Postby kireblue » Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:20 pm

TritioAFB wrote:I don't have any problem bringing evidence, because what I mean is that it will be discouraging for several editors in that category that in fact, it's their first time editing, to lose to editors that have been already editing for a while but decided to upload until last year. It's not fair for them :roll:

I believe that just like we have the ability to add new categories every year, we should also be able to subtract categories that go beyond just being flawed and are completely broken. The "first video" category is a even more flawed version of "Rookie of year". The concept of best first video even seems strange when you really think about it. Sure, there are a few times when someone's "real" first video is actually worthy of winning a VCA, but they are very rare. And usually when those times come up, that person is also a contender for rookie of the year. So I don't feel that its really necessary to have both.
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Re: The Semifinal "Oops" Thread

Postby TritioAFB » Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:22 pm

You got a point here, since almost the same contenders that appear here are into the rookie category
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Re: The Semifinal "Oops" Thread

Postby Diegao » Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:23 pm

Totally agreed with kireblue.
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Re: The Semifinal "Oops" Thread

Postby CodeZTM » Tue Feb 07, 2012 1:11 pm

kireblue wrote:
TritioAFB wrote:I don't have any problem bringing evidence, because what I mean is that it will be discouraging for several editors in that category that in fact, it's their first time editing, to lose to editors that have been already editing for a while but decided to upload until last year. It's not fair for them :roll:

I believe that just like we have the ability to add new categories every year, we should also be able to subtract categories that go beyond just being flawed and are completely broken. The "first video" category is a even more flawed version of "Rookie of year". The concept of best first video even seems strange when you really think about it. Sure, there are a few times when someone's "real" first video is actually worthy of winning a VCA, but they are very rare. And usually when those times come up, that person is also a contender for rookie of the year. So I don't feel that its really necessary to have both.


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If we absolutely must, then just one category for "Best Newcomer", and drop both of those. I'm thinking something along the lines of the requirements being that only the editors who joined a-m-v.org within the last year be eligible. Granted, that still has the issue of those people who have been editing for years on another site, but that will ALWAYS be an issue with this sort of award.
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Re: The Semifinal "Oops" Thread

Postby kireblue » Tue Feb 07, 2012 1:56 pm

CodeZTM wrote:
kireblue wrote:
TritioAFB wrote:I don't have any problem bringing evidence, because what I mean is that it will be discouraging for several editors in that category that in fact, it's their first time editing, to lose to editors that have been already editing for a while but decided to upload until last year. It's not fair for them :roll:

I believe that just like we have the ability to add new categories every year, we should also be able to subtract categories that go beyond just being flawed and are completely broken. The "first video" category is a even more flawed version of "Rookie of year". The concept of best first video even seems strange when you really think about it. Sure, there are a few times when someone's "real" first video is actually worthy of winning a VCA, but they are very rare. And usually when those times come up, that person is also a contender for rookie of the year. So I don't feel that its really necessary to have both.


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If we absolutely must, then just one category for "Best Newcomer", and drop both of those. I'm thinking something along the lines of the requirements being that only the editors who joined a-m-v.org within the last year be eligible. Granted, that still has the issue of those people who have been editing for years on another site, but that will ALWAYS be an issue with this sort of award.

I really like the idea of changing "Rookie of the Year" to "Best Newcomer". It makes so much more sense. The term rookie should be used to describe somebody that is still "learning the ropes" and doesn't have a lot of experience. It always annoyed me how some of the nominations of the "Rookie of the year" award were people that I felt not only had more experience than me, but were well known pros. "Best Newcomer" makes it more clear that the winner doesn't necessarily have to be a "rookie". They only have to be a newcomer to the org.
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Re: The Semifinal "Oops" Thread

Postby Shin-AMV » Tue Feb 07, 2012 2:19 pm

Rider4Z wrote:
Shin-AMV wrote:
Kitsuner wrote:Anime Nations of the World should not be eligible for Best MEP. It's a collab. The very nature of those categories mean that there can be no shared nominations between them.


Maybe its like Schrodinger's Cat, and it can be seen as both a MEP and collab. We won't know for sure until we check, but we should double check with our friend Wigner just to be sure.

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The best newcomer idea sounds a lot better. It'll help encourage editors from other sites to come over here and participate.
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Re: The Semifinal "Oops" Thread

Postby Kitsuner » Tue Feb 07, 2012 8:14 pm

I am in favor of Best Nuke Hummer.
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