The Lip Flapper : Volume 7 - Bonus

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Re: The Lip Flapper : Volume 7 - Kosmit Interivew + Bonus

Postby gotegenks » Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:13 pm

well i guess that says a lot about what the people want then, right?
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Re: The Lip Flapper : Volume 7 - Kosmit Interivew + Bonus

Postby CodeZTM » Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:59 pm

I'll keep a lot of that in mind for future interviews. I'll continue to learn with each volume, so please bear with me as I go through a learning experience myself as to what works and what does not work. ;)

I think we've worked with enough about YouTube for now, but it's a subject that might be worth revisiting in the future, especially if I manage to snag Chii for an interview in the future (I don't want to push her into doing something she doesn't want to do, but I might try again in April when my interviews run out again).

I think I may also retire the panels for a while. A good concept, but I think it needs refinement. I may try something mildly different for off-weeks in main interviews starting in March/February (we've still got a fanservice panel in February, but I think that will be the last one for a while). I don't know how well this will work out, but I'll certainly try. XD

Anyway, thanks for reading everyone! Good/bad, at least it's sparking some conversation. If anyone has any suggestions for future volumes, but doesn't necessarily want to voice them here, my pm box is always open.

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Re: The Lip Flapper : Volume 7 - Kosmit Interivew + Bonus

Postby lloyd9988 » Wed Feb 01, 2012 12:29 am

Sorry Code, Kind of want to say something about Youtube myself :3

I don't really see why Youtube is being brought down as hard as it is over here. I mean, sure, you have your different type of editors and they do what they want and how they want too but your not always going to find a majority of them being: "OMG I'm so amazing for making this DBZ AMV". Honestly, its just a different website than the org with a majority of the editors with a bit of inflation in their egos, but, really, its just AMVs and they can make it however they want.

Personally, I like youtube because its more convenient for myself and, not to mention, its where I found probably one of the best AMV editors I've ever seen (Sorry guys, but if his videos make me want to watch them over and over again, then, yeah, he's amazing xD). Overall, yes, they have a different mindset than the org editors have and they do have a different style. . . But that's kinda what art is about. :P Doesn't have to be perfect, it can be like what everyone else makes and its not going to make millions of dollars or make a person want to go "ZOMG, so amazing *_*", but its their own interpretation of art, or AMVs more specifically. It doesn't have to be perfect and they can do it for what we consider all the wrong reasons, but its what they want to do. If they really want to do more, then they'll probably come here, join a studio or they might just find their own path in making AMVs. The org doesn't guarantee a person will get better at making AMVs, or, more to the point, the org doesn't guarantee a person will learn how to make AMVs the way the editor envisions it. In reality, that's for the editor to find and decide on their own and we have to respect the choices any AMV editor makes, whether they choose to stay on youtube, come here or just not make AMVs at all. Again, I do see some amazing editors on youtube and, the really amazing ones, tend to hate the org. xD Which is fine because its their own way of editing and their own path to editing.

Anyway, I'm done ranting off-topic. xD What makes youtube better than the org, imo, is the fact that youtube makes a viewer want to explore all the other videos out there and not just the one that you were searching for. Whereas here, we only look for editors whom we believe to be good so we wish to watch only their videos and ignore many of the other videos. :P I think a new feature may need to be implemented that might allow videos posted by other users to be a bit more viewer friendly. But, again, my two cents. :|
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Re: The Lip Flapper : Volume 7 - Kosmit Interivew + Bonus

Postby gotegenks » Wed Feb 01, 2012 12:48 am

CodeZTM wrote:I think I may also retire the panels for a while. A good concept, but I think it needs refinement. I may try something mildly different for off-weeks in main interviews starting in March/February (we've still got a fanservice panel in February, but I think that will be the last one for a while). I don't know how well this will work out, but I'll certainly try. XD

NO! DO NOT RETIRE THE PANELS! well do whatever you want I guess but personally, i enjoy the panels a lot more than the interviews. They spark a lot more debate and they're just generally more interesting. The comments on interviews are usually "oh cool, good read, didn't know you lived there editor." but with panels there's discussion and life and opinions being shared and communication. I mean, look at all the volumes that have both in them, like bashar said, comments about the interview are usually an afterthought so instead of taking bashar's comment and stopping the panels just stop the INTERVIEWS!

just kidding, but maybe you could run a panel and an interview in their own thread each week? If you're scrambling for ideas, maybe post a thread for open suggestion on questions and then just send a question of your choice out to a few editors and paste the responses here. That could be good too because if a lot of people suggest similar stuff then you know it's what the people want. Not saying you should just let everyone else run this, but you seem to be asking people to pm you a lot and idk how many people have been pming you but i'm sure a lot more people would be willing to post in a topic than pm.

I didn't mean to discourage you with my reply, It just kinda irked me, but I understand people make mistakes and everything and you're learning and all that jazz, and i was in NO WAY asking for another youtube panel (lol) I just wanted to say something. There really seems to be a lot of potential in these lip flapper things, and these panels are 70% of that so i'd hate for you not to see all the evidence for that and make the wrong decision from it, but in the end it's your choice obviously so yeah.

maybe it's just me though.
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Re: The Lip Flapper : Volume 7 - Kosmit Interivew + Bonus

Postby Ileia » Wed Feb 01, 2012 12:54 am

On the subject of "the Org hating Youtube", some of you guys should've been here when you couldn't even say "youtube", it was filtered out and replaced with different words. Might give you some perspective as far as what direction "the Org hating Youtube" is actually going. It's essentially gone from "That awful site where people keep uploading my videos!" to "That other site where I upload my videos." and, for many, "My primary site for uploading my videos." I can maybe count on one hand the amount of editors who spout off any sort of Org > Youtube things these days. Well, aside from copyright issues, but it's not like the Org doesn't have those either (Wind-up Records :uhoh: ).
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Re: The Lip Flapper : Volume 7 - Kosmit Interivew + Bonus

Postby Rendakor » Wed Feb 01, 2012 12:55 am

I'm with gote, I like the panels; while the interviews are cool to read, the panels provide something that's kinda lacking here sometimes: discussion! I feel that putting them in separate threads is a good idea; another suggestion might be to post them on different days (Interview on Monday, Panel on Friday or something). If the issue is that doing both is too much work for you Code, you could just alternate every other week.
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Re: The Lip Flapper : Volume 7 - Kosmit Interivew + Bonus

Postby Kosmit » Wed Feb 01, 2012 12:16 pm

BasharOfTheAges wrote:EDIT: should also point out, it's a big disservice to the person being interviewed to combine the interview with an unrelated topic. How many responses in this thread and the last one were actually about the interview and not comments tacked on as an after-thought?

Yes, my inflated ego suffers greatly from this terrible lack of attention to my persona :wink:
In all seriousness though, Bashar is right. The interview and the panels should be in separate topics. Otherwise you get a wall of text like in the first post and responses to only one of the topics. So, room for some easy improvement here. Keep up the good work, Code!
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Re: The Lip Flapper : Volume 7 - Kosmit Interivew + Bonus

Postby gotegenks » Wed Feb 01, 2012 1:21 pm

OH, and idk if this should go in site feedback or whatever, but how bout we add these to the interviews section of the main site? Either in full or just a link here that looks like the links to the other interviews. A lot of editors i know who know of this site don't even know there's a forum, so this will help get this stuff out to random passersby as well.
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Re: The Lip Flapper : Volume 7 - Kosmit Interivew + Bonus

Postby CodeZTM » Wed Feb 01, 2012 2:07 pm

Kosmit wrote:
BasharOfTheAges wrote:EDIT: should also point out, it's a big disservice to the person being interviewed to combine the interview with an unrelated topic. How many responses in this thread and the last one were actually about the interview and not comments tacked on as an after-thought?

Yes, my inflated ego suffers greatly from this terrible lack of attention to my persona :wink:
In all seriousness though, Bashar is right. The interview and the panels should be in separate topics. Otherwise you get a wall of text like in the first post and responses to only one of the topics. So, room for some easy improvement here. Keep up the good work, Code!


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Re: The Lip Flapper : Volume 7 - Kosmit Interivew + Bonus

Postby ngsilver » Wed Feb 01, 2012 2:22 pm

After going back through and reading both panels, I honestly see more of the panelists hating on the org then on youtube actually. Just speaking of my section alone, I didn't specifically say I hated youtube, in fact I use it quite frequently and I do speak highly of it's ease of use. The only real thing I can debate between the two is the fact that Youtube being as well known as it is and having deals with copyright holders in order to stay available, isn't as good of a place for AMVs as the org. You can't debate the fact that while the org does have issues with copyright Youtube has more issues because of how big it is.

Either way, it is an interesting topic and I'm glad there has been some discussion on it. I wouldn't mind doing a podcast on this topic alone, provided I can get a good panel of people on both sides of the fence.
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Re: The Lip Flapper : Volume 7 - Kosmit Interivew + Bonus

Postby gotegenks » Wed Feb 01, 2012 2:48 pm

You're confused about what we're implying about the opinions of the panelists. From what they're saying everyone seems to think:

youtube = better website
Org = better community

that looks like the general consensus here. They hate the "a-m-v.org's" inability to grow and they hate YouTubers' inability to be mature. Like i said, there's no debate that youtube is at least an amazing publicity tool.
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Re: The Lip Flapper : Volume 7 - Kosmit Interivew + Bonus

Postby Knowname » Wed Feb 01, 2012 3:27 pm

This subject (Youtube not Kosmit xD) is quickly becoming a dying horse. Kosmit can dispute that point if he wants. I wouldn't mind hearing from Chii but I am a little hesitant about that too as it might be a touchy subject with her and it's really her own thing. Anyway I also think this panel is done.

I mean as far as Lip Flappers is involved.
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Re: The Lip Flapper : Volume 7 - Kosmit Interivew + Bonus

Postby Knowname » Wed Feb 01, 2012 3:31 pm

Alternatively I'd also love if you could dig up Silver_Moon or Sierra Lorna thought they'd never been Youtube ppl they did stop for much the same reason.

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Re: The Lip Flapper : Volume 7 - Bonus

Postby TEKnician » Wed Feb 01, 2012 9:57 pm

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Re: The Lip Flapper : Volume 7 - Bonus

Postby -Corsair- » Fri Feb 03, 2012 2:51 pm

Very good reads Code.
From personal experience, I actually started on the org, posted up a thread saying "someone point me in the right direction" and got plenty of help.
Within the first day I was learning all about these things I'd never heard of before, such as framerates, aspect ratio, where to get footage, interlacing ,avisynth, Vdub, etc. It was overwhelming, but it was the best foundation I could have ever asked for.

Then I went to Youtube just to share my vids with a larger community, and it began.................
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