What in the bloody smucks happened?

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Re: What in the bloody smucks happened?

Postby Knowname » Tue Jan 24, 2012 5:25 pm

Hey! I did say 'Your Momma' jokes, I'm hip!! In fact I hadn't broken my hip yet!!
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Re: What in the bloody smucks happened?

Postby MycathatesyouAMV » Wed Jan 25, 2012 2:19 am

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This is something that is mentioned every time this sort of topic comes up. It's not that everyone stopped editing. Sure, a lot of people did. But guess what? They were replaced by new editors, there is a constant stream of them! They're just not flocking here anymore. It's not AMVs that are dying, it is this specific community.


It's sad though that alot of the newer editors don't even choose to come here or upload here, while just staying on youtube. Why not have your amv there and here. There's so much more benefits here. I started amvs on youtube for half a year before joining here, and there wouldn't be a single day where I would think of choosing youtube over here if I was ever forced to only have one.
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Re: What in the bloody smucks happened?

Postby Castor Troy » Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:25 am

When all the youtube amv editors begin losing their accounts like I did, they'll come over here.
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Re: What in the bloody smucks happened?

Postby JudgeHolden » Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:09 am

Castor Troy wrote:When all the youtube amv editors begin losing their accounts like I did, they'll come over here.


Ya, your kind ain't welcome around those parts! :bear:
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Re: What in the bloody smucks happened?

Postby seasons » Wed Jan 25, 2012 3:16 pm

I don't understand how anyone gets a sense of community or even accomplishment over there.

I learn more from this site, get better advice and criticism, and find better discussions, resources and content here than I've ever found over there. And I say this as someone who's continually frustrated by his experience here on multiple levels. Sure, that other site is easier to use but I don't know how it's really "getting people in" to the hobby (or keeping them in it for more than brief spell). And surely more people are making AMVs now then ever before, right? So I'm not really sure where they are, if it can be said that they're actually somewhere.

Do young people still seek out/experience a "sense of place" from websites or is that an old-fashioned idea that Twitter/Tumblr/Facebook feeds have simply wiped out?
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Re: What in the bloody smucks happened?

Postby Knowname » Wed Jan 25, 2012 3:34 pm

beats me. c'mon the shuffleboard's open.
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Re: What in the bloody smucks happened?

Postby Brad » Wed Jan 25, 2012 4:15 pm

seasons wrote:And surely more people are making AMVs now then ever before, right?


I don't know if that's really true. My guess is probably not. I mean, from the perspective of the number of people simply on the internet, having access to the tech, etc., you would think that that would be true. But I think it probably has a lot to do with the current state of the anime industry, which you can't argue has been in a big decline since 2005-6 era (at least in the United States. I can't speak much to Japan). I know that there's still a ton of people watching fansubs, watching stuff on Netflix/Hulu/Crunchy Roll/etc., but on the whole, it SEEMS like anime fandom was much higher during that era. Again, this is all based on speculation of somebody who hasn't really been into anime since that time, but all I ever seem to hear about the actual industry here is how it's doing worse and worse each year, as opposed to it thriving (relatively) back then. Could be a correlation there.
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Re: What in the bloody smucks happened?

Postby Brad » Wed Jan 25, 2012 4:17 pm

Also, can we just address the elephant in the room? What the hell is "bloody smucks"?
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Re: What in the bloody smucks happened?

Postby BasharOfTheAges » Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:16 pm

Brad wrote:
seasons wrote:And surely more people are making AMVs now then ever before, right?


I don't know if that's really true. My guess is probably not. I mean, from the perspective of the number of people simply on the internet, having access to the tech, etc., you would think that that would be true. But I think it probably has a lot to do with the current state of the anime industry, which you can't argue has been in a big decline since 2005-6 era (at least in the United States. I can't speak much to Japan). I know that there's still a ton of people watching fansubs, watching stuff on Netflix/Hulu/Crunchy Roll/etc., but on the whole, it SEEMS like anime fandom was much higher during that era. Again, this is all based on speculation of somebody who hasn't really been into anime since that time, but all I ever seem to hear about the actual industry here is how it's doing worse and worse each year, as opposed to it thriving (relatively) back then. Could be a correlation there.

I keep hearing sentiments that boil down to the idea that anime fandom in general is dying, and I wonder how it is that just about every large convention seems to pull in record numbers year after year despite this.
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Re: What in the bloody smucks happened?

Postby Knowname » Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:17 pm

when you lose a tooth due to a seed hiding in you Smuckers Jam?
when you bleed all over your smock... or somebody else does...
when you smirk with blood on your mouth? (an in that case your the perfect person to comment on that one...)
when you get smacked so hard you start to bleed?
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Re: What in the bloody smucks happened?

Postby EvaFan » Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:22 pm

I'm sure it partially has to do with the fact that most of the anime coming from japan these days is recycled/regurgitated crap that just plays off every episode with a new event. When was the last time a great show along the lines of bebop, eva, trigun, ghost in the shell, you know things that westerners are alot more likely to enjoy because of their uniqueness to story and episodes that rely on having actually watched preceding episodes to understand whats going on? I can't honestly say I've been watching much stuff recently other than steinsgate thats about the only thing that comes to mind for recently enjoyed shows.

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Re: What in the bloody smucks happened?

Postby Nya-chan Production » Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:32 pm

BasharOfTheAges wrote:
Brad wrote:
seasons wrote:And surely more people are making AMVs now then ever before, right?


I don't know if that's really true. My guess is probably not. I mean, from the perspective of the number of people simply on the internet, having access to the tech, etc., you would think that that would be true. But I think it probably has a lot to do with the current state of the anime industry, which you can't argue has been in a big decline since 2005-6 era (at least in the United States. I can't speak much to Japan). I know that there's still a ton of people watching fansubs, watching stuff on Netflix/Hulu/Crunchy Roll/etc., but on the whole, it SEEMS like anime fandom was much higher during that era. Again, this is all based on speculation of somebody who hasn't really been into anime since that time, but all I ever seem to hear about the actual industry here is how it's doing worse and worse each year, as opposed to it thriving (relatively) back then. Could be a correlation there.

I keep hearing sentiments that boil down to the idea that anime fandom in general is dying, and I wonder how it is that just about every large convention seems to pull in record numbers year after year despite this.

Yep, that's a pretty valid point. Every year I read how this year's season (usually winter one) was the worst in years, anime is out of ideas, pirates undermine the business, etc, etc, etc...

... to come to that one con and find out it has increased attendance again. Even though you have seen many people saying on the internet the last year that they won't come the next year... because anime genre is dying or they are bored.
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Re: What in the bloody smucks happened?

Postby Knowname » Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:36 pm

Not to say that they DIDN't increase attendence but that's kinda what they have to say. That's how they get sponsors.
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Re: What in the bloody smucks happened?

Postby Shin-AMV » Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:46 pm

I dunno, anime fandom in general seems way higher now. When I was in highschool there was only a very small group of people who even liked/knew about anime. When I went to Anime Expo in 2002 when I was going around touring colleges the summer before senior year, there was a lot of people but it was pretty much a huge sausage fest. Recently I was at Acen and at AWA and the ratio seems to be much more 50/50 then it was before, and both cons seemed to be fairly sizeable, especially ACen. So I don't think its really dying, its more mainstream so it blends in a lot more. I've seen the reports that the anime industry in the U.S. is struggling but I think thats due to other factors, like licensing dumb series that few people would buy in the first place, and online accessibility.

To me it seems to generally be the same for AMVs, a lot more people seem to be making them, just not on this site (i.e. they're on youtube) but a lot of them aren't really worth watching so they're easily missed and overlooked too.
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Re: What in the bloody smucks happened?

Postby Nya-chan Production » Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:54 pm

Oh no. They don't only "say" that. It's visible, at least here :>

Or they pay people to visit their con D:

Where's the line to get paid? ^^

And back to AMVs - I think the most people just make AMVs as a hit-or-miss kind of thing these days. Most of them try to send it in some local competition and see what happens. Or they share it on YT with their fanclub...

What might have happened is the shift of AMV makers to one other thing. The ratio of male/female visitors has changed in the recent years here and my guess is that something similar happened in US around the years 2004/5. Don't want to say that it's bad, but there was this inevitable shift of most of the (creative) visitors to cosplay competitions (if you have 70% male attendance there is a reasonable chance more of them will be editors than cosplayers, IMO - a vice versa), which, of course, doesn't really bring in more new editors to the job >.>
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