The Lip Flapper: Volume 6 - YouTube Panel + Bonus

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Re: The Lip Flapper: Volume 6 - YouTube Panel + Bonus

Post by Scintilla » Mon Jan 23, 2012 8:25 pm

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AceD wrote:Firstly you need to start by wondering why was youtube even negatively thought of in the first place? Elitism as far as i can tell. People here thought they was better than everybody else, high up on a pedestal looking down upon everybody else.
Well, not quite. This post from Phade back in 2006 does a pretty good job explaining his view of the main issues with it, purely from the POV of legal issues surrounding our little hobby and the ramifications of YT teaming up with the music industry. It never mentions the relative quality of the videos or of the people.

It's too bad I can no longer find the image somebody used to have available on CafePress merchandise that said "HOSATCHEL: For when you really don't care what it looks like."
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Re: The Lip Flapper: Volume 6 - YouTube Panel + Bonus

Post by AceD » Mon Jan 23, 2012 8:41 pm

Please, everybody (not literally) here used to look down on youtubers as "noobs" and think they was better back then. Obviously today this has changed and is no longer the case.

AMVnews.ru is currently what this site used too be attitude wise....not every user though of course.

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Re: The Lip Flapper: Volume 6 - YouTube Panel + Bonus

Post by JaddziaDax » Mon Jan 23, 2012 8:43 pm

It's hard to be on the youtube boat when youtube disables your audio/gives you copyright strikes against your account. I do enjoy watching what comes out of the youtube community and the support of the people who are there. However with the legal gray area that our hobby is in, and the fact the site is constantly under legal fire, youtube isn't necessarily a good home for amvs.

The other problem with youtube is that it's a playground for trolls. Due to that I believe that some youtubers have a hard time knowing the difference between (constructive) criticism and trolling. Generally the internet is a playground for trolls, but they do seem to gather quite a bit on youtube.

In general, I tend to agree with a lot of what ngsilver said.
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I first found out about youtube because a kid emailed me. She found my video on there and thought that I was the one who uploaded it (I was not - so I've been at this for quite a few years). It was one out of maybe 10 (total) Fruits Basket videos on there at the time. So hardly anyone on the org had ever heard about youtube.

I also remember people coming here in those early days asking how people put amvs on their myspace, and I would suggest that they get in contact with the editor and see about uploading it to youtube.

At the time I was very pro-youtube, and I still am in many ways. I'd like to see some youtube-like changes to the org, especially when it comes to comments and uploading.

I was actually fairly sad when the org decided to start censoring the word, like it was some kind of bad thing. The truth is the reason the org did that wasn't because of the users on youtube, but because of a lot of the legal implications of connecting the two sites (that maybe youtube's legal issues would come back to us). I think that the words they used to replace youtube with were rather immature though :? . Edit: I'm also glad to be rid of the word filter now.

Truthfully I really do wish that youtube as a site would be a better host for amvs, but with the way copyright law works now and how much publicity the site has, it definitely isn't. So for now all I can do is hope the supposed org re-design actually implements some similar features that makes this place a little more viewer friendly.
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AceD: I think you are grossly over exaggerating, perhaps there were/are a few vocal people like that on this site, but not nearly "everybody" literally or no.

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Re: The Lip Flapper: Volume 6 - YouTube Panel + Bonus

Post by Scintilla » Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:34 pm

JaddziaDax wrote:AceD: I think you are grossly over exaggerating, perhaps there were/are a few vocal people like that on this site, but not nearly "everybody" literally or no.
As I've said many times on LJ when discussing our perception problem, a vocal minority can tend do so much of the talking that it's easy to forget that they are in fact a minority and most users aren't necessarily like that. As with many communities, really.

That said, back in those days, YT did have real issues with video fidelity and proper sync that made it easier for such elitists to justify such an attitude, so.
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Re: The Lip Flapper: Volume 6 - YouTube Panel + Bonus

Post by AceD » Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:48 pm

Scintilla wrote:
JaddziaDax wrote:AceD: I think you are grossly over exaggerating, perhaps there were/are a few vocal people like that on this site, but not nearly "everybody" literally or no.
a vocal minority can tend do so much of the talking that it's easy to forget that they are in fact a minority and most users aren't necessarily like that.
Your probably right about this, it's far easier to remember negativity than it is positive things.

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Post by SheeGee » Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:51 pm

This is so weird because I was having a discussion with Waya about YouTube editors and Org editors lol Makes me wanna do a lil vid response about this topic mostly because I've ran into a lot of YT editors telling me to piss off for giving constructive criticisms on their videos.

Great interview as well! I don't think I've heard of BakaViking. Might go check out some of his work!

Another good read Code :up:
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Re: The Lip Flapper: Volume 6 - YouTube Panel + Bonus

Post by TritioAFB » Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:30 pm

First of all, thanks for this article Code. It was a good read :up:

I'll like to give some comments about YouTube:

When I first made an amv several years ago, I didn't know about the org or YouTube, it passed a lot (and I mean it) to discover YouTube. I had great expectations about YouTube, since by that time my goal was to show all my stuff, obviously I thought that stuff was the best of the best until I started meeting other editors.

I'll like to mention a certain editor that belongs to this community and I think I'll be always grateful with him. And that guy is AikiNick. I recommend this guy as betatester.

When I first met him he gave me a detailed feedback, that by that time I didn't appreciate it. I was like: How dare you?!

It's the case of several editors I know from YouTube. I was the responsable of the retirement of a famous AMVer in YouTube, since he asked feedback for a vid, and even when his people says that he could win the Japan Expo, in the commens I said the opposite. I literally crush him since I detailed every flaw present in the video, so the guy stopped talking with me, he announced his retirement, but fortunately returned back. After that time, he seemed to have reflexed about the importance of feedback.

I always tell everybody I know: My purpose at giving feedback in videos is not to discourage you, but to help you since that's the purpose of the feedback. In YouTube I tend to do it so I got some 'guys' that 'love' me a lot :P

It's not like YouTube it's so bad that you should burn it. YouTube is like a 'window' to promote the org itself. I like to read comments like: I went to the org thanks to this AMV. Didn't know about this site, so I joined
ANd to mention that I realized about the org thanks to YouTube. Otherwise I would have discovered it by searching anime but probably would have taken more time.

It also depends how you use it: If you want to promote your stuff, YouTube is good, considering you'll have chances to get commenters that will share your job with other people. In the case of the org, the org is good in terms of feedback, considering it will be hard to find a detailed feedback in YouTube (nor impossible)

About AMVNews:

I find funny some comments there. Some guys there even talk like if they were directors of famous movies, and I mean it. Even in the org I haven't found yet anybody that comments like if they feel in authority to call 'lame' a singer or anime and then say stuff like 'I can sing that song better'.
The funniest fact is that some commenters there uses the ratings like a kind of menace against an editor. 'You can give me 1 if you want, yes I mean it. Only for you that rating will be more important than life'
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Re: The Lip Flapper: Volume 6 - YouTube Panel + Bonus

Post by TritioAFB » Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:51 pm

Sorry for double comment:

BakaViking:

It was pleasant to realize that you're a girl. Seems my intuition is not failing :up:

I dunno if I will be here by 2013, but you seem to have potential. Not all days we have videos with interesting concepts. Keep doing the amvs. Seems you might be the rookie of the year
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Re: The Lip Flapper: Volume 6 - YouTube Panel + Bonus

Post by Hagaren Viper » Tue Jan 24, 2012 1:27 am

I thought that was a cool interview. I haven't seen BakaViking around at all [Granted, Im only really active in certain parts of the forum right now] so it was cool to get to know her a bit. I personally think it would be neat to have a mix of newer editors and vetrans/more known people as well.

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Re: The Lip Flapper: Volume 6 - YouTube Panel + Bonus

Post by lloyd9988 » Tue Jan 24, 2012 3:12 am

CodeZTM wrote:Q: What's the best way that the Org can be nice to the newbies?

Be helpful! Give useful feedback, and point people in the right direction. Positive or negative, there’s no need to be too harsh, but there’s no need to sugarcoat things either.
^^This^^

Something every newbie editor needs. From personal experience, after asking so many experienced editors for advice on what makes an AMV better and actually READING their advice :book:, Anyone can learn soooo much from their advice on what they believe makes an AMV better and the questionnaire can learn so much more. Not to mention, beta tests help a lot ;)
CodeZTM wrote:Q: So you came to a-m-v.org for quality feedback? The harshness/bitchiness isn't a turnoff? Aren't the positive YouTube comments a little empowering?

Of course they are, I’d be lying if I said something else! I’d also be lying if I said I don’t get frustrated and grumpy over harsh comments. But generally I don’t think it’s THAT bad in here, I’ve seen a lot worse. I think it has a lot to do with attitude: you can’t post a video and expect only praise.
I lol'ed at this. Its so true xD (I'm also grateful I came here as soon as I did because I developed a thick-skin fast!)

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