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Re: VCA Unique Category

Postby Pwolf » Thu Jan 19, 2012 4:32 am

right, lets just get back on topic.
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Re: VCA Unique Category

Postby BasharOfTheAges » Thu Jan 19, 2012 8:13 am

Think of Most Helpful this way:

The org is like a company. They have this neat little end of the year tradition of naming an employee of the year. Management, in their infinite wisdom, has decreed that there's no good metric to determine that, so they should let the employees decide, but being as proactive and inclusive as they are, they don't stop there, they allow everyone who's ever done so much as filled out an application vote on who the employee of the year should be. Great! Big votes! Party time! |:> But, wait. A company down the street has a bunch of employees that applied for jobs way back when - a whole bunch in fact. Man, it seems like just about everyone who works at that other company put in an application back in the day - work's hard to find, don't ya know. Wouldn't it be a lark, they think, if we just voted for one of our guys from our company instead? And they do. Overwhelmingly. And some people at the original company start to think that there might have been a bit of an oversight in place, and don't think it's quite right if someone who isn't an employee wins employee of the year. Sure, the rules allow it, and you're not going to change management's mind about the loophole. Maybe if there was a new employee of the year award that didn't have the loophole in it to begin with... maybe that would help...
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Re: VCA Unique Category

Postby Fall_Child42 » Thu Jan 19, 2012 11:56 am

You know, one really big help would be having someone filter the semi finals so that the videos there were actually supposed to be there.

One of the biggest problems I have with the voting system is not that people from other communities come and flood the votes based on some weird nationalistic pride (though this I consider a very strange attitude to have) it's that the videos that win are often not even representative of the award. To go back to bashar's analogy It's like giving Best Financial officer to the office toaster.

Now some categories are subjective and would be hard to filter, we could probably leave those categories alone.
But some categories like "Best First" have a pretty concrete definition. It's either their first video, or it's not. If I recall correctly only one video in the entire list of the semi finalists last year was someone's first video.

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As for the categories,
Best Dinosaur.
We all know Dinosaurs are sweet, but which one is THE sweet. Will it be the T-Rex? Made famous in Jurrasic Park, the Pachycephalosaurus? Or the amazing Ankylosaurus? Only the VCA voters can tell us for sure.
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Re: VCA Unique Category

Postby outlawed » Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:37 pm

The reality is the VCAs were always centered around people active on this site because when it started this WAS the only site for the North American AMV community. In fact at that point in time f you used the term AMV community it wouldn't really even apply. Sure people who didn't post on the forums voted but it was never worried about or addressed because most did not see it as a massive problem. And then you had some like me probably who didn't care for the VCAs and thought it was a bad idea for the website. From my own point of view what I'm seeing is that people who are based on other AMV communities started to care about the VCAs for some reason. This is something the creation of the VCAs never took account for. The VCAs were never seen as a "contest" when it started. Any "online contest" was seen as a joke within the North American AMV community back in this website's early years.

The better question to me is why do people from other online AMV communities who are not active on this website care about the VCAs? If anything I would think those other sites would just marginalize the VCAs if they disagreed with multiple years worth of voting outcomes. Especially when you consider the fact that these other AMV community websites have grown in online influence over the last 6 years and are now more prolific in online AMV influence in many ways from what I see. Instead the other online AMV communities seem to really want to win some of these VCAs. Are the VCAs just that coveted elsewhere because this site has been around for so many years?
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Re: VCA Unique Category

Postby Kain-x-spirits » Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:10 pm

outlawed wrote:the other online AMV communities seem to really want to win some of these VCAs.

huh ? :rofl:
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Re: VCA Unique Category

Postby Zarxrax » Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:43 pm

Pwolf wrote:How about something that recognizes a member of the community who has contributed to making the community as a whole better (in one way or another)? I'm not really talking about "most helpful" here as there are plenty of people out there who may or may not necessarily have a huge presence in the forum but work towards giving the community more then just what's there. These people create events such as contests within the community, promote thoughtful discussions, create scripts, tools, programs to make what we do just alittle bit easier... Just as an example, the people I would be thinking of would be:

Godix - Keeping us real and giving us something to discuss from to time.
Brad - Online IC even though he's a lazy bastard
Code - ProjectOrg Editor, various discussion threads, and his recent Lip Flapper
Zarxrax - His work on ZarxGUI

Just to name a few.


I would be slightly opposed to this, because it still just puts the focus on the things that people see. Lots of people are doing work in the background that they never really get recognition for, and a category like this would still be heavily slanted in the favor of people who are doing stuff that is heavily visible to the community at large.
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Re: VCA Unique Category

Postby ProjectBarcodeError » Thu Jan 19, 2012 2:39 pm

about the debate, how about a "ambassador" award, like rewarding a member who's making/helping/improving communication among communities?

cause if unactive members in the org but elsewhere ( let's pick chambeyc as a example) get the most votes for the most helpful member, wouldn't that be considered "friendly voting" as well ?

to sum up, if we have a award for a helpful member of the org and a helpful member in another communities, then we'll have a compromise.

it's completely understandable to make recognition for north americans, but let's not forget that working altogether as communities just improves the AMV-Making broadcast.

just my 2 cents.

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Re: VCA Unique Category

Postby Pwolf » Thu Jan 19, 2012 5:06 pm

Zarxrax wrote:I would be slightly opposed to this, because it still just puts the focus on the things that people see. Lots of people are doing work in the background that they never really get recognition for, and a category like this would still be heavily slanted in the favor of people who are doing stuff that is heavily visible to the community at large.


I agree but that sort of is the point. If someone is doing work in the background, does anyone even know anything is changing or getting better. The perspective of most of the members will still be that nothing has changed. If someone's work is generating a visible contribution to the community, then I think they deserve some recognition over someone who is keeping their work secretive. I guess, at least in the terms of the site admins, it would be nice if there was a bit more transparency. Maybe I'm misinterpreting what your saying though, can you give me an example of someone like this?
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Re: VCA Unique Category

Postby pink haze » Thu Jan 19, 2012 6:16 pm

MimS wrote:Hm, I think I should -really- stop there and go back to the thread first goal :)

Pwolf wrote:right, lets just get back on topic.


Some unique category suggestions:

Best Video with a Message
--stole this from the MTV awards =o

Best-vid-that-made-you-want-to-watch/rewatch-the-anime
--because I think giving a series exposure is something a lot of people try to accomplish with their videos, and it's an important aspect of the hobby. Better title ideas, anyone?

Best Long Video
--obvious reaction to last year. =P Should only award *continuous* long videos--not videos that are actually two small vids stuck together, or a series of short vids or tracks.

Best Use of Lyrics
--goes with Best use of Instrumental Music
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Re: VCA Unique Category

Postby gotegenks » Thu Jan 19, 2012 6:17 pm

if there really are quite a few of these "background" helpers (at least enough to not have the award pwolf suggested) then how about we have something to recognize these people and what they do, bring them more into the light and thank em for what they might be doing?
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Re: VCA Unique Category

Postby Zarxrax » Thu Jan 19, 2012 7:39 pm

Pwolf wrote:I agree but that sort of is the point. If someone is doing work in the background, does anyone even know anything is changing or getting better. The perspective of most of the members will still be that nothing has changed. If someone's work is generating a visible contribution to the community, then I think they deserve some recognition over someone who is keeping their work secretive. I guess, at least in the terms of the site admins, it would be nice if there was a bit more transparency. Maybe I'm misinterpreting what your saying though, can you give me an example of someone like this?


Well for instance, when I read the info regarding the VCA's this year, it looks to me like there have been some changes from previous years, with regards to eligibility and such. I'm guessing maybe there have been some coding changes on the site to accommodate this. But maybe these changes were in place last year, I'm not really sure. Who made the changes? My best guess would be dokidoki, but I really don't know.
And then there are the moderators who keep the site running smoothly. Their work mostly happens in secret, so I really don't even know how involved that is.
And then there are people who may be doing work for the advancement of AMVs outside of the org, but it still affects us. For instance, all of the stuff Vlad does for conventions around the world :p Or as another example, the work which Quu did in regards to testing audio sync has directly led to changes in the progress of Zarx264gui.
I just think there are a lot of people out there who deserve some recognition, the unsung heroes of the org :bear:
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Re: VCA Unique Category

Postby CodeZTM » Thu Jan 19, 2012 7:42 pm

Zarxrax wrote:I just think there are a lot of people out there who deserve some recognition, the unsung heroes of the org :bear:


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Re: VCA Unique Category

Postby gotegenks » Thu Jan 19, 2012 7:56 pm

CodeZTM wrote:
Zarxrax wrote:I just think there are a lot of people out there who deserve some recognition, the unsung heroes of the org :bear:


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Re: VCA Unique Category

Postby Pwolf » Thu Jan 19, 2012 8:13 pm

Zarxrax wrote:I just think there are a lot of people out there who deserve some recognition, the unsung heroes of the org :bear:


I very much agree also, which is why I suggested the award. I think these people need to speak up though. As I mentioned before, as far as I know nothing is being done by the administration/mods to make this place any better (in some cases, they are making it worse but that's another topic). If they are doing things in the background, i think it's in the communities best interest to know whats going on. This was one of the reason for getting the whole site redesign threads going last year. Even if nothing is being done (and nothing is being done at the moment) at least we all had something to discuss and there's some sort of direction.

Zarxrax wrote:And then there are people who may be doing work for the advancement of AMVs outside of the org, but it still affects us.


Honestly, while I appreciate the work other people are doing for AMVs in general, the org is my main concern here. I wouldn't be opposed to having an award for best contest coordinator or something along those lines that recognizes those kinds of people. But if no one is doing anything to help this community it's just going to continue to decline like it has and there wont be any VCAs or anything anymore. I'm just trying to find ways to get people involved. People like to win shit so I thought it would be a good idea to entice people into doing more rather than just bitching and moaning about how the org is dying.
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Re: VCA Unique Category

Postby Radical_Yue » Thu Jan 19, 2012 9:57 pm

Kain-x-spirits wrote:
outlawed wrote:the other online AMV communities seem to really want to win some of these VCAs.

huh ? :rofl:


Then you guys must be pretty liberal with your axes. :ying:
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