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Re: VCA Unique Category

Postby MimS » Wed Jan 18, 2012 6:45 pm

Well, Bashar, fact is many vids participating in VCAs were first made for foreign contests... And I think we're all happy to see them in VCAs no matter how much their authors are or not 'involved' in org
Anyway, if you don't get what I mean, just forget about it but it's really a shame to be as much closed-minded (yeah, to me, you're closed-minded).
a-m-v.org has the chance to see every single editor from every country entering their vids in its catalog no matter if they speak english or not, if they help org community itself or not. They just make org catalog bigger (quality included)... VCAs are the only thing they wait from this site. Just saying...

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Re: VCA Unique Category

Postby Pwolf » Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:01 pm

MimS wrote:VCAs are the only thing they wait from this site. Just saying...


So all they want with this community is to participate in our contest? Being "closed minded" aside, your statement is downright insulting to those of us who value this community and wish to make it better.
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Re: VCA Unique Category

Postby BasharOfTheAges » Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:59 pm

MimS wrote:Well, Bashar, fact is many vids participating in VCAs were first made for foreign contests... And I think we're all happy to see them in VCAs no matter how much their authors are or not 'involved' in org
Anyway, if you don't get what I mean, just forget about it but it's really a shame to be as much closed-minded (yeah, to me, you're closed-minded).
a-m-v.org has the chance to see every single editor from every country entering their vids in its catalog no matter if they speak english or not, if they help org community itself or not. They just make org catalog bigger (quality included)... VCAs are the only thing they wait from this site. Just saying...

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Nothing you said there makes any sort of sense. How am I close-minded? I never claimed people shouldn't have their videos in the VCA if they only come to upload. My only beef is with the notion that people that aren't part of this community should have any sort of say in how our site's contest is run. You earn the right to have a voice by having a voice - not for one month a year, but all 12. That's called being involved. Gate-crashing and demanding equal footing is, frankly, selfish. And that goes for anyone, anywhere in the world - including any of the tens of thousands of people with accounts that haven't posted for years.

I'm not trying to push that view either. I'm responding to the "how dare he" response pwolf got for suggesting that community participation mattered. If it were up to me (and i've even suggested this to people running the VCAs) i'd impose secret minimum log-in frequencies to even vote in this. I know how easy it is to get dozens of enthusiastic friends and family members to sign up for account just to get VCA nods. Past voting has made it abundantly clear that it's no secret that hosts of normally uninvolved parties come out of the woodwork for this thing. I feel that that's bad enough, we shouldn't invite them to dictate the rules as well.
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Re: VCA Unique Category

Postby MycathatesyouAMV » Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:28 pm

BasharOfTheAges wrote:I'm not trying to push that view either. I'm responding to the "how dare he" response pwolf got for suggesting that community participation mattered. If it were up to me (and i've even suggested this to people running the VCAs) i'd impose secret minimum log-in frequencies to even vote in this. I know how easy it is to get dozens of enthusiastic friends and family members to sign up for account just to get VCA nods. Past voting has made it abundantly clear that it's no secret that hosts of normally uninvolved parties come out of the woodwork for this thing. I feel that that's bad enough, we shouldn't invite them to dictate the rules as well.


I'd actually support this idea.
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Re: VCA Unique Category

Postby outlawed » Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:32 pm

Video Creator most deserving of Nut Riding.

Seems in the spirit of what some people look for from the VCAs.
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Re: VCA Unique Category

Postby Taite » Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:17 pm

Radical_Yue wrote:
Taite wrote:
Taite wrote:Best Crossover perhaps?
Saw quite a few last year.


Don't know if this fits in the other thread or not :? Don't really know the difference.


This thread is for silly nicknames for the categories.

The other thread is for a special category to be voted on.



Here we go. Thanks =p
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Re: VCA Unique Category

Postby gotegenks » Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:43 pm

outlawed wrote:Video Creator most deserving of Nut Riding.

Seems in the spirit of what some people look for from the VCAs.

lol

gotta agree with bashar on this one, i'm kinda tired of seeing all the "let's have diff communities participate in this Org hosted thing!" when the proposed people don't participate in the Org, happened in the judges nomination thread for the JCAs, too. It wouldn't be a bad idea, actually, to make it MORE Org centric and less of inactive members, to encourage participation here. I guess that'd be hard for the non english-speaking editors, but a couple of awards here and there that are Org centered aren't gonna hurt, and could hopefully help. If we were a gigantic website and anybody that even thought of making AMVs knew of the Org and there was someone acting outside of this community that greatly benefited AMVs production or something, and we could get them here just by announcing it HERE and they'd know, rush over here, make an account, and learn english just to accept the award then sure, go outside our community, but if america can have awards strictly for americans, then why can't the Org have awards strictly for 0rgians?

bashars login quota thing + invitation and outreach for other communities to participate here would be cool, as obviously we have a few representatives...
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Re: VCA Unique Category

Postby StarTrinity009 » Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:31 pm

Hagaren Viper wrote:Best IC
Best Underused Source [Best video using an obscure or underused anime, perhaps anime that have less than say, 100 entires in the catalog?]


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Especially Best Underused Source.
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Re: VCA Unique Category

Postby ngsilver » Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:33 pm

MimS wrote:Ngsilver : well, yeah, you're not wrong...

Wait.... when did I weigh in on this thread? I mean, I do have a POV on this here, but I've been too busy this week to really take the time to completely write out my views. (seriously busy at the office, been having to take my work home with me. Can't people NOT break things after coming back from holiday?)
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Re: VCA Unique Category

Postby MimS » Thu Jan 19, 2012 2:28 am

Sorry it was Kitsuner, I posted at 1a.m french time, was tired :p

More seriously, I really don't get your way of seeing things. Of course you want org community to get better, in fact, as much as every community wantd its one to be.
Despite that, I just don't see the link between a massive vote where anyone who's registered there can participate and the participation in org.
And just to be clear, I've got nothing against org people, don't forget I used to spend a lot of time on #AMV (just don't have the time anymore -plus my computer is dead, actually typing from my phone), I just regret that some people mix these points. I mean, for example, I don't get either why Akross members have advantages on others in Akross contest, though being an association obliges it to give some clear cool things to its members, imho, it shouldn't give that 'cause every single editor participating in the contest helps it being more-known since he will say to his friends and all to check it on Akross website. In this way, they deserve to be treated as well as Akross members.
Here on org, if you don't donate, you can't to anything you want the way you like on this website or forum. That's logical, I understand that, that's where being involved in the community matters. Not in a ... Contest. It just seems unfair to me.

Friendly vote is another problem and not the one I'm pointing...

Anyway, that's my last post about this 'subject', I don't want to look like the one who wants to make drama saying org people are evil ones (particularly 'cause that's not what I think). I just tried to give an op on VCAs from a general point of view, when I disagreed with Pwolf's idea, it wasn't in order to insult anybody (though I did say 'closed-minded' but I didn't think it as an insult). Funny thing is I don't even participate myself excepted with a MEP so it's not like I'm talking for my own.
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Re: VCA Unique Category

Postby lloyd9988 » Thu Jan 19, 2012 2:48 am

Woot VCA's! xD

On the subject matter of Mims and pWolf (Sorry, don't mean to chime in but maybe I can shed a little light. . . Doubt it :|), pwolf, as well as many of the contributing editors on this site, are kind of persistent on wanting to go back to when the org community was an actual community and not just a "Hey! Lets give this award to a random person I've never seen before! xP" So just to clarify that little point up a bit on the community's goal at the moment. But, I'm pretty sure you knew that much already :P

Yet, awarding a random editor with an award when they don't really participate in the org is kind of. . . disheartening for the community because the winner will probably not even come back to talk about AMVs until next year for like... what... one post. :P However, with that said, if the VCA's are that popular around the world, then it might be a good idea to separate the contest into two separate contests. Like a "VCA - American or Org Awards" and a "VCA - Global Awards" :P Or something like that.

Pretty much just re-said what Kit said so I'm just defaulting to what Kit suggested. :P
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Re: VCA Unique Category

Postby Pwolf » Thu Jan 19, 2012 3:11 am

MimS wrote:Here on org, if you don't donate, you can't to anything you want the way you like on this website or forum. That's logical, I understand that, that's where being involved in the community matters. Not in a ... Contest. It just seems unfair to me.


I don't understand what you're trying to say here? Donators and non-donators are all bound by the same rules. We all share the same perks. The only donator perks that are in effect now are basically more advanced searches and you don't have to wait 10 seconds to download from local. Other than that there is no difference between the two. I don't understand how that has any relevance to the VCAs or my suggestion.
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Re: VCA Unique Category

Postby MimS » Thu Jan 19, 2012 3:25 am

I was just saying that helping the community is not linked to VCAs but to other things like being a donator, fact which is 'rewarded' (for example, you don't wait for download to start, you can edit your posts on all forum parts). You can also create apps, contests or else to help Org, it's up to you. Of course you have to thank/congrat/reward these people who try to make org better but not in a contest, that's what I mean.
It seems completely clear to me now, can't say it better, if you still don't see what I mean, then let's say that I have to improve my english /o/
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Re: VCA Unique Category

Postby Pwolf » Thu Jan 19, 2012 3:55 am

MimS wrote:It seems completely clear to me now, can't say it better, if you still don't see what I mean, then let's say that I have to improve my english /o/


I understand what you're saying but how is this any different then say, the Most Helpful Award that's been given out every year for the last 10 years. This award is given to the member who has been the most helpful on the website. Its the same concept so whats the difference? It's not an award that people compete for, it's an award that's given out in recognition for one's contributions.
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Re: VCA Unique Category

Postby MimS » Thu Jan 19, 2012 4:22 am

You're right. Just know that I think the same thing about this award and I would have said the same thing if I was there when it was created :p.
Well, I'm kidding but I know that last year for example, French who wanted to vote were lost with this category : For us, most helpful are people like Kain-x-Spirits or Chambeyc, finally people voted for org active and helpful people like Mirko considering it was the way it was thought (I mean an org grateful award).

Hm, I think I should -really- stop there and go back to the thread first goal :)
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