JaddziaDax wrote:From what I'm reading, Leader Desslock, the only person being near mature on those threads is you, and even then your tone is dripping in condescension.
JaddziaDax wrote:I also read comments about stopping the trolling in there. The last thread seems to be nothing but trolling.
The_TEKnician wrote:I just made a video and got a few comments on it. When CodeZTM gave me feedback, you know what i said?The_TEKnician wrote:THANK YOU
Was that so hard? I mean thy took time out of their day to sit down and watch your shit and even bothered to post a response to it. THAT ALONE MERITS SOME GRATITUDE AT LEAST.
Did not like. The musical selection was decent, but I thought the video editing was a largely incoherent pile of scenes tossed on top of some music. I didn't make it very far before I closed the window, so... maybe it improves as it goes on. I don't know, and what I saw at the beginning made me not want to find out.
you are a monsterSilk_SK wrote:I knew that the best way to get the editor to take me seriously would be to watch it in its entirety.
Leader Desslock wrote:JaddziaDax wrote:I also read comments about stopping the trolling in there. The last thread seems to be nothing but trolling.
The comments about trolling in the third thread are directed to the person posting the AMV. They're saying "are you just trolling AN by posting these terrible videos?"
You know, we really **** around with new people to much. Just like Panda getting raped in the OT forum in his thread...keep your opinion, but let's be a little less harsh.
Ikore wrote:"hey! did you like my amv? it got anime and sparkles"
JaddziaDax wrote:Or you know, you could save yourself even more time, not watch his video and not say anything.
JaddziaDax wrote:Besides, I don't give that level of critique unless directly asked. (or prompted to give an example as in this case). I may poke a line and say "You know you can improve here, if you want more detail on that, ask me" and if they ask, then I might go into it. I know better than to waste my time on every single nooby amv that comes up.
But when all you do is tell the editor how forgettable their video is, you aren't helping much or giving a valuable critique either.
Emong wrote:My absolute favourite type of constructive criticism can be found on youtube, comments of this form:
"Nice vid. Check out my video of [insert anime/movie/artist/band/song here]. The link is in my profile."
We here on the .org should learn from this
gotegenks wrote:what do you do after you've already seen it? not say anything. I'd rather have any comment than no comment.
I wouldn't like one of the comments you think the Org gives or you think that AN gave though, but they dont/didn't give anything like that.
(editors should get their own ideas)
(THAT'S TOO MUCH to be a standard comment)
He just couldn't take the criticisms given to him, and i doubt he would have taken the criticisms you "gave" to him.
JaddziaDax wrote:gotegenks wrote:what do you do after you've already seen it? not say anything. I'd rather have any comment than no comment.
When you say "why waste your energy" that's exactly what I expect you should do: not comment. That way you can conserve all that precious energy for your editing or masturbating or whatever it is you need it for.
JaddziaDax wrote:gotegenks wrote:I wouldn't like one of the comments you think the Org gives or you think that AN gave though, but they dont/didn't give anything like that.
I have no clue what this sentence is attempting to say. Please clarify.
JaddziaDax wrote:gotegenks wrote: (editors should get their own ideas)
I'm picking on this because you keep repeating it.... So every good editor that has come out of this community somehow pulled all the greatness out of their butts? the guides on this site are for nothing and a complete waste of time to put together let alone read? no one should try to help anyone? Meta and theory discussion is all a waste of time? all because people should "come up with their own ideas" as you put it.
Then it must be a waste of time to leave your "criticism" too since they are supposed to come up with it ALL ON THEIR OWN.
JaddziaDax wrote:you guys just told him everything that is wrong with his video, and gave him HARDLY ANY POINTERS ON HOW HE COULD FIX IT. How I would review this video:-undeniably long critique-
JaddziaDax wrote:Imho: If you cant back up your opinions with reasons, then you are not worth listening to. Being vague is completely unhelpful and just goes to show just how much you don't care, so why should the editor care about what you have to say?
JaddziaDax wrote:Obviously there is a basic standard in this hobby (at least on this site) or else the guides and help forums wouldn't exist.
Once again, I'm not talking about "back-seat editing" I'm talking about giving small nudges towards the basic standard of what makes a "good" amv.
JaddziaDax wrote:gotegenks wrote:(THAT'S TOO MUCH to be a standard comment)
That is not just a "standard comment". It was never meant to be one. It's a CRITIQUE. I'm not talking about quick/standard comments comments, I'm talking about criticism. The OP asked why people can't take criticism. It seems to me it's because most of the people in those examples from their site, don't know how to give it so that a person will be more accepting of it.
They don't even know how to poke to see if the person is going to be accepting... Giving warnings about being "brutally honest" is just a warning ,in my opinion, that this person is going to troll. I'm surprised that the guy would go for it, though he just might be that inexperienced with the internet in general. Maybe he is just that naive.
Besides you could take any section of that entire critique and turn it into a "standard comment" to use as bait. If the person bites, then go into more detail, if not, then leave them be.
this conversation wrote:Person1: those editors don't seem to be able to take criticism ("the act of passing judgment on something based on any of its merits")
You: You guys didn't even leave criticisms ("2 page analytical essay") This is how you should have done it (even though you were not provoked in the manner i'm gonna specify that i am before i write something like this) : [2 page analytical essay]
Me: 2 page analytical essays are not required of critical comments ("comments that perform the act of passing judgment on something based on any of its merits")
You: I never said they were! I don't even leave those unless they ask for them.
JaddziaDax wrote:gotegenks wrote:He just couldn't take the criticisms given to him, and i doubt he would have taken the criticisms you "gave" to him.
Actually both of those guys in the linked seemed fairly receptive, until everyone in the thread started bashing and trolling giving the same vague comments over and over again. I don't know what thread you read, but that's what I saw.
Besides if the guy is going to argue that his subtitles NEED to be in his video then it's truely a waste of time to argue with him at this point, and you are doing nothing but creating more drama for yourself by arguing.
gotegenks wrote:a whole bunch of putting words in my mouth and other stuff
Fall_Child42 wrote:That sure is a whole lot of words to ask
"Why do some people take criticism poorly?"
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