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Yugioh Deck Builders Delight [Help Thread]

Postby TwilightChrono » Sat Dec 03, 2011 6:54 am

Well, I'm starting to get back into the TCG And am going through alot of my cards that I used to play with in tournaments including my old decks. A lot of the cards in my old decks and a lot of the 1st editions I have from the LOB and Magic Ruler Sets are banned form tournament play. Some have become limited while others are just outright banned.

I wanna get back into tournament play but with all these new Deck Series that have come out, it has left me rather confused. I played back when it was just the original sets like LOB, Magic Ruler, Labyrinth Of Nightmare, Metal Raiders and Legacy Of Darkness to name of few. You know, before all of the DX, 5D's and Zexal were even thought up. A.K.A. When the game first came out.

Now, my problem is that I have no idea if the new sets can be played with the old. No clue at all. I wanna stick to the cards I know and love, which are from the original sets. You know, with good old cards like Megamorph, Swords Of Revealing Light [The original Card, Not The Revised], MetalMorph, Cyber Jar, Mirror Force, NecroValley, Jinzo and Dark Mirror Force just to name a few.

But, I'm at a loss as to what cards can be played with what now, since there are so many sets out. It's unreal. The rules of the game are not a problem for me to follow, as I've been keeping tabs on all the new rules and banned/limited lists.

Basically, I am asking for deck building help from you guys. Whether or not I can get it is entirely up to the forum I know. I realize this may be better asked on a TCG forum, but I thought I would try my luck here before I made a new account just to post help questions on a different forum.

Any advice for an old timer used to the old ways? I just wanna get back in the tournament scene and start dishing out some punishment again. Anyone have any deck building tips? I haven't built a deck in so long. Yet I have hundreds of cards at my disposal.

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Re: Yugioh Deck Builders Delight [Help Thread]

Postby NS » Sat Dec 03, 2011 8:30 am

If you can't win in 1 or 2 turns, your yugioh deck sucks. (this is why I hate yugioh TCG)
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Re: Yugioh Deck Builders Delight [Help Thread]

Postby BasharOfTheAges » Sat Dec 03, 2011 9:12 am

my understanding of this game was that it was something like magic the gathering in that tourneys were meant to sell more cards therefore, the only legal sets were the new ones for 95% of what you could possibly be involved in.
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Re: Yugioh Deck Builders Delight [Help Thread]

Postby Jadecavy » Sat Dec 03, 2011 10:47 am

Any cards with older text that have been revised are played with the revised rules, regardless of what the card says. Mirror force is still as staple, gravekeepers made a comeback so you can still play necrovalley, and jinzo decks are playable, though the rest of the cards you listed aren't. My suggestion is to get together $250 and buy a Tour Guide from the Underworld playset, it's the only way you can win, these days, outside of twilight. >.>

But really, there are a lot of viable deck options, for cheap. If you're looking for budget, go: Jurracs, Blackwings, or Gravekeepers.
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Re: Yugioh Deck Builders Delight [Help Thread]

Postby CodeZTM » Sat Dec 03, 2011 11:01 am

The last time I played, Elemental Heroes were all the rage, and monster reborn was banned. But that was like... A LONG time ago. XD. XD
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Re: Yugioh Deck Builders Delight [Help Thread]

Postby gotegenks » Sat Dec 03, 2011 1:23 pm

NS wrote:If you can't win in 1 or 2 turns, your yugioh deck sucks. (this is why I hate yugioh TCG)

not true, i go to a pretty top level Local tournament once in a while and all my duels always take over like 10 or 15 turns. And if that's metaphorical like you have the game in the bag by the second turn then that's not it either because the advantage usually switches a couple times before it's over. You must have played during some FTK format or read about it then...

Jadecavy wrote:My suggestion is to get together $250 and buy a Tour Guide from the Underworld playset, it's the only way you can win, these days, outside of twilight. >.>

wherever you're finding tour guide playsets for $250, tell em i'm comin', and MONEY'S COMIN WITH ME!

uhh, TC, you literally can't wreck any face these days with a deck made from LOB and MRL/SRL alone. It's gonna take some newer cards. there are actually two new decks that are doing quite well that are made almost entirely from their own structure deck, Dark World, and Agent decks.

Dark World are those old crappy dark world monsters with a new broken boss monster and some new good support and it took like 2-4 places at the last major tournament i believe, the one that made it the highest out of em was using pretty much a pure structure deck build + staples as opposed to the others that had those infamous "Tour Guide of the Underworld" so even cheapo versions are pretty good.

Agents, or Master Hyperion, or Fairies, or something else has those Agent of (planet) cards that are also kinda old. The dark world uses a lot of old dw monsters but this deck only uses 1 old agent card and that's Venus. Again, new boss monster that makes em broken, but this deck also employs a lot of other boss monsters like Archlord Krystia and Black luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning and synchros. This deck is gonna take a lot of outside cards to make it good though so for someone who only has really really early cards i would just suggest 3 of the dark world decks,

and then if you're gonna be semi-active, going to locals and trading and stuff, it would be a good idea to buy a few of the new tins that are out. The no.34 Leviathan, Wind Up Zenmaister, no. 10 illumiknight, and Galaxy Eyes Photon Dragon tins are all great buys as they contain great promos and 5 packs. 1 of the promos that comes in each of them is worth like $10 dollars itself (pot of duality in the first two, solemn warning in the latter) but i suggest you use them yourself, because they're staples now, but you can do some damage trading em off too.

hope that helped, if you have any questions, feel free to pm me!
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Re: Yugioh Deck Builders Delight [Help Thread]

Postby Jadecavy » Sat Dec 03, 2011 2:25 pm

Honestly, my advice is about 4 months out-of-date, I haven't played since I got to Cornwall, as there aren't any shops here and I don't like playing on duellingnetwork. Also, honestly, this is probably the worst time in 3 years or so to get back into it, the meta is pretty terrible and unvaried. Listen to gotenks and it'll be hard not to win, though. ;P
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Re: Yugioh Deck Builders Delight [Help Thread]

Postby TwilightChrono » Sat Dec 03, 2011 2:38 pm

Awesome replies guys.

I didn't think I would get so many so quickly. I expected a few trolls but not this many incitve posts XD

I've actually already went out and bought a lot of booster packs and such before I even made my initial post and got a lot of Holo Foil Cards Rares and other such goodies.

About $400 dollars spent on Boosters and tins before the post was made. That is why I got so confused. I bought a mixture of new and old.

Woke up this morning and decided to open them and these are the cards I got. I put similar sounding named together. To make it easier for listing.

Here is the list:

GOLD LETTERED HOLOFOIL: [That's what people called them back in my day of playing]

Monsters and Effect Monsters:
Number 39: Utopia
Elemental Hero Neos Alius
Elemental Hero Sparkman
Elemental HERO Divine Neos
Elemental HERO Great Tornado
Cyber Valley
Cyber Larva
Gladiator Beast Equeste
Ice Queen
Lion Alligator
Spawn Alligator
Yubel
Darklord Asmodeus
Darklord Superbia
Dark Lord Edeh Arae
Raviel, Lord Of Phantasms
Hamon, Lord Of Striking Thunder
Uria, Lord Of Searing Flames

Magic:
Shield Crush
Instant Fusion
Court Of Justice
Dragonic Tactics
Dark Fusion
Parallel World Fusion

And here are the last bit of Cards. About 10 or so which are all Holofoil but their names are either white or black. NOT gold or silver:

Traps:
Amazoness Archers

Monsters:
Sinister Sprocket
Destiny HERO - Dreadmaster
Destiny HERO - Diamond Dude
Elemental HERO Grand Neos
Evil HERO Inferno Wing
Evil HERO Malicious Fiend

I could list all of the rares, commons and uncommons that I got but that would take ages, so we will just go with these. Keep in mind that the toplist is all Gold lettered Holofoils Or Are Some Kinda Sparkly Lettered With Sparkly HoloFoil.

What do you guys think?

I realize that the listed cards themselves don't make a deck, but how are these for implementing?
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Re: Yugioh Deck Builders Delight [Help Thread]

Postby TwilightChrono » Sat Dec 03, 2011 2:43 pm

Also, I really have no clue if any of the cards I listed are good. They sound good when read, but I have yet to read all of the Rares, commons and uncommons that came with them. Haven't had the time. So damn many.

Sorry for the double post. I just needed to say that.
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Re: Yugioh Deck Builders Delight [Help Thread]

Postby gotegenks » Sat Dec 03, 2011 2:53 pm

only cards people will want out of those are the hero cards, utopia, glad beast equeste, instant fusion.

If you got more hero cards then you could make a deck out of those, they're actually a pretty good deck now, and it's relatively cheap these days. most expensive card in it is E-Hero the shining at 15 tops, but most of the cards are common now and don't go over 4-5. It's one of my fave decks, and it plays pretty simple like the good ol' days. just summon 1800 and 1900 monsters and set traps and beat up your opponents monsters while stopping their stronger monsters with ur traps and magics, then occasionally bringing out your own by fusion. you can also use utopia since like all the monsters are lvl 4 and utopia is an extra deck staple for decks that have a lot of lvl 4's now.
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Re: Yugioh Deck Builders Delight [Help Thread]

Postby kireblue » Sat Dec 03, 2011 7:41 pm

I pull out my Armed Dragon deck whenever I go to conventions, but lately, its become clear that older decks really struggle to keep up with the pace of the newer themed decks. I haven't modified my deck in almost 5 years, but since it was such a good special summoning deck in its time, I kinda expected it to hold up better. I can still beat the younger and less experienced players out there, but the people who play anywhere near tournament level completely outpaced my deck in terms of summoning monsters and controlling the field.

From what I can tell, the current generation of Yu-Gi-Oh players are really big on chain summoning a lot of weak monsters to the field that complement each other. So if you are using a older deck, you'd probably have the advantage in terms of attack strength, but not in terms of monsters on the field at one time. This may sound like a good position to be in, but its not. The current assortment of legal trap cards will put any of the older banned trap cards to shame. So its not only beneficial to have strong monsters on the field, but to also to have ways to constantly add more monsters to the field. If not, your opponent will completely out pace you.

Lastly, the new cards that were introduced in the last season are brutal. One benefit to you is that a lot of the stronger ones can't be normal summoned. I don't remember what the stipulation was, but I remember that my opponents kept filling up their field with fairly weak monsters, and sometimes sacrificing all 5 of them to special summon a single monster.

Note: I came to these conclusions after dueling 4-5 people at Dragon*Con and watching their matches for a few hours. So my analysis of the current Yu-gi-oh playes could be completely off. If you want to use a old deck, I'm confident that you can still have fun while playing against the new cards. But if you want to be a serious player in tournaments, you really do need to buy the newest cards. And it probably won't hurt to watch the newest season of the anime series.
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Re: Yugioh Deck Builders Delight [Help Thread]

Postby TwilightChrono » Sat Dec 03, 2011 10:35 pm

kireblue wrote:I pull out my Armed Dragon deck whenever I go to conventions, but lately, its become clear that older decks really struggle to keep up with the pace of the newer themed decks. I haven't modified my deck in almost 5 years, but since it was such a good special summoning deck in its time, I kinda expected it to hold up better. I can still beat the younger and less experienced players out there, but the people who play anywhere near tournament level completely outpaced my deck in terms of summoning monsters and controlling the field.

From what I can tell, the current generation of Yu-Gi-Oh players are really big on chain summoning a lot of weak monsters to the field that complement each other. So if you are using a older deck, you'd probably have the advantage in terms of attack strength, but not in terms of monsters on the field at one time. This may sound like a good position to be in, but its not. The current assortment of legal trap cards will put any of the older banned trap cards to shame. So its not only beneficial to have strong monsters on the field, but to also to have ways to constantly add more monsters to the field. If not, your opponent will completely out pace you.

Lastly, the new cards that were introduced in the last season are brutal. One benefit to you is that a lot of the stronger ones can't be normal summoned. I don't remember what the stipulation was, but I remember that my opponents kept filling up their field with fairly weak monsters, and sometimes sacrificing all 5 of them to special summon a single monster.

Note: I came to these conclusions after dueling 4-5 people at Dragon*Con and watching their matches for a few hours. So my analysis of the current Yu-gi-oh playes could be completely off. If you want to use a old deck, I'm confident that you can still have fun while playing against the new cards. But if you want to be a serious player in tournaments, you really do need to buy the newest cards. And it probably won't hurt to watch the newest season of the anime series.


Well, I'm up to date on all the new series. Watched em all so far all the way through. ALl the way up to the current episode of Zexal! which if I'm to be correct is not yet over.

I won a couple city tournaments a while back ago with the old deck I used to own. A played for a few more months afterwards then money issues got tight and I couldn't afford to keep up anymore. But now that problem is alleviated and is no longer an issue. It was because of that issue however that I wound up selling my current deck at the time which I won those city tourney's with to the "House Of Cards" in my town. The owner "Chief" bought my deck off me at the time for 1200 bucks. Due to the immense strength of the deck for the area in which Yugioh was being played. Told me it was nationals worthy and that he could probably find a good buyer for it if I sold it to him, in which he did, so at least I know it went to a good person. The reason he bought it for 1200 was because it was full of cards that at the time were very, super, ultra mega hard to find. I have the deck list somewhere, I'll post it when I find it. Cause I wanted to remake it.

That decks core purpose revolved around my Gemini Elves, Witch Of The Black Forest, Sangan, Spear Cretin and my Nimble Monongas. And the deck was really magic heavy with just a couple or so Traps: Spellbinding Circle, Mirror Force, Dark Mirror Force, Magical Cylinders, Crush Card and Mirror Wall. The Major Magic Cards that the deck counted on revolved around Thousand Knives, Dark Hole, Card Destruction. Harpies Feather Duster, Raigeki and Swords Of Revealing Light.

Like I said, I can give a full deck list once I find it if your interested in what was all in that deck, but what I stated above were some of the carrds in it that I can remember off the top of my head that I used a lot from it. The deck had I think 43-45 cards in it. I remember that cause I liked to keep the deck small cause I liked being able to draw out the cards I needed quicker so as to not be stuck with junk for turns on end.

But, I would love to get back into competitive play. And plan on spending a lot of Cashola next month on roughly every bosster pack I can find.

Believe me, I would love to make a deck like the one I used to have a long time ago, but apparently, some of the cards I listed that were in that deck are no longer allowable. so, I will have to make due with learning all the new cards.

Believe me. If I could make that deck again. Versus the new Cards Series Or Not. I believe that my old deck would still trash a lot of the newer ones.

But I am open to any advice you guys are willing to give. I really need to make this new deck but I need some good direction in order to do so.

What do you guys think?
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Re: Yugioh Deck Builders Delight [Help Thread]

Postby TwilightChrono » Sun Dec 04, 2011 3:14 am

I feel I should clarify on my last post.

Do any Deck builds come to mind that could somewhat resemble what I mentioned about my old deck? Or maybe just something strong? I'm not too fond of the Elemental Hero's bit. Never was really fond of it in GX.

Is the Sixth Samurai Combo's still legal?
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Re: Yugioh Deck Builders Delight [Help Thread]

Postby gotegenks » Mon Dec 05, 2011 4:55 am

you can find some version every card you listed up there for less than 5 bucks so idk how much they were back when you sold it, but you did good by today's standards! (haha)

anyway, do not--i repeat-- DO. NOT. BUY BOOSTER PACKS! they might seem good right now, i got back into after like 6 years or so of being away, and every card i got out of every booster i got at first seemed GOLDEN! they all sound great compared to way back then, but they're mostly useless now, and the chances of you making your money back in trade value by buying booster packs is very slim. The best product to buy right now are the 2011 wave 1 and wave 2 tins, specifically the zenmaister and the galaxy eyes photon dragon tin because the promos' secondary market value in each tin adds up to a little over $20 last i checked and on top of that you get booster packs which are fun to open and you might some useful or valuable stuff, or if you're pretty markety you might try selling the boosters off unopened at like 2 bucks each (but i'd just open them until you actually get used to trading in the new age of yugioh)

but if you put 1200 bucks back into the game now you can buy any deck you want in single cards off of ebay or even trollandtoad, and still have plenty leftover! i recommend ebay as players sell their stuff way lower than websites like TnT, but if you have to go through a business i'm pretty sure trollandtoad is the best. I've only been playing for a year and a half now so i have no idea how that old deck of yours played judging by just those 10 or so cards, but there are plenty of good decks now with a wide variety of playing styles and personalities! don't listen to what everyone is saying about the "ur deck needs to be able to summon 5 small monsters or it won't work" because there are a number of decks that get off on stopping those kinds of decks.

Gemini/Hero beat decks are somewhat close to the old way of playing. They just use a bunch of 1900 atk monsters to attack and defend and use traps and spells to protect those monsters, and they're really popular (they don't play at all like on GX and they don't use any of those stupid heroes, the only heroes they use are 3 Elemental Hero Neos Alius who wasn't even in the show and 1 E-Hero Stratos who's just cool)

Gravekeepers just cockblock the opponent by having 2k atk and 2k defenders with a field spell that makes the graveyard useless and monsters with good effects that have amazing synergy, although they're not so good right now because mystical space typhoon is unlimited and heavy storm is limited so field spell decks are kinda blegh.

D.D./Removal decks did pretty well a little while back, i dont know much about em but they don't special that much either.

if you tell me how that old deck played i might could make some better recommendations, but those are the only things i can think of atm that are still good but not special summon heavy.

oh, six samurai are pretty decent, but they're not GREAT since september, but they wouldn't be the six sams you knew. A set that came out in like february called Storm of Ragnarok introduced an entire new set of six samurai monsters so the only old six samurai that was used was "grandmaster of the six samurai" and then some of the old support magic and trap cards. So if you had a particular fondness for the art style then you can go for em, but i wouldn't recommend it unless you already have most of the cards which i doubt

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Re: Yugioh Deck Builders Delight [Help Thread]

Postby Haar119 » Sat Dec 17, 2011 12:08 am

I have a bit of advice: Endlessly spam xyz monsters. They take up no space in your main deck and the only requirement for using them is that you have at least two monsters of the same level in your deck. They're basically good in any pretty much any deck for one reason or another (attack, defense, useful effects, etc.)

You can try using Fusions or Synchros, but they obviously have a lot more specific requirements. It's really up to you, though.
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