"I can do better!"

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Re: "I can do better!"

Postby ZephyrStar » Mon Oct 24, 2011 11:29 am

I never go look when I get an idea. I don't really care if it's been done before. Maybe that's a bad thing, though so far I make pretty weird AMVs so it usually doesn't matter. I have however, written several scripts for things I want to make (indie anime shorts/movies) and in one case a live action film I want to shoot.

In the case of the live action film, I was describing the idea to Fall_Child42, and he's like "oh man, that sounds just like Darren Aronofsky's Pi, have you seen Pi?" I had not (shame on me), so we grabbed it and watched it. I spent the whole time going "DAMMNIT" because parts of it were very similar to what I had written.

In the end, I think it's more of a "great minds think alike" thing. Since seeing Pi, I haven't really changed my story, I've just changed the execution. Execution makes all the difference in the world.
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Re: "I can do better!"

Postby gotegenks » Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:10 am

Well, i have a rule about not doing videos that have already been done as well as i would have wanted, because it seems pointless! The fun in editing is in coming up with what to put down, and although you may not be the most original editor in the world (you as in anyone) as long as you don't go and consciously copy someone else you get the satisfaction, but if something's already been done before, way good, especially when it's better than i could do, it would seem like a waste of time to me because that video would always just be a disappointment. (I don't exactly know where that ileia rip i did falls into this rule because i didn't think my idea was overly original compared to hers or that my editing was better or anything so let's forget that video exists!)

i have, however, seen videos where the combination rocked and i fell in love with it, but the video was done so poorly that i was more motivated to edit it than i sometimes am with original ideas[ocean breathes salty]. Video ideas that are great shouldn't be off limits because some crappy editor (or a good editor on a crappy day) decides to half ass a video cause they only did the video because they "LIKED THE SONG AND THE MUSIC :D." It's more of an injustice to amv lovers and (insert musician) lovers to leave a video with one sucky version than it is to the editor who sucked with it to steal their idea.

besides, song and source combinations are such a miniscule part of what an editor really puts into his video, so it's worse to steal some kind of effect or series of clip choices or something like that than to just take the same song/source.
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Re: "I can do better!"

Postby Hagaren Viper » Mon Oct 31, 2011 8:14 pm

This has only started happening recently, where I start planning a video and get close to finishing choosing scenes, and then I find out "Oh crap, someone just edited this...AND THEY ARE COMPETENT D:". Granted, this has only happened with two videos so far, but my version and their version are usually different enough that I think it's ok to release anyway [And if I happen to use the same scenes then...hope I dont get called a copycat].

Actually, in the middle of making Still Here, I found another vid with that song/anime combo and kinda freaked out, thinking that I couldn't do it anymore. But then I decided that again, the two were ENTIRELY different, and if I remember correctly that vid was just kind of a typical youtube vid so I got over it and edited the thing.
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Re: "I can do better!"

Postby DriftRoot » Sat Nov 05, 2011 10:46 am

I inadvertently made a video similar enough to someone else's that a few YouTubers had minor hissy fits and called me a copycat and thief (not the most troubling or unusual of things in the grand YouTube scheme of things, but it wasn't completely out of line, either, given the similarities). Would I have still made mine if I knew beforehand the other video existed? YES - it was an original idea I had long before the other video was created and I feel confident I did a better job presenting it. Would I have felt some anxiety about making it if I knew beforehand the other video existed? Definitely...but that sort of goes with the territory in this arena. I am very glad I did NOT know about it, because I'm sure it would have affected my video in some way.

Here's the thing, though: if no one has any date information, a well-done video is likely to be assumed the original. Lots of people copy stuff they see from other AMVs, it's a big part of this hobby. People don't seem to mind so much when it's sub-par copying, but one-upsmanship is a little shakier ground. It's how things evolve, but it can also clearly ruffle feathers.
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Re: "I can do better!"

Postby JaddziaDax » Sat Nov 05, 2011 12:51 pm

DriftRoot wrote:Here's the thing, though: if no one has any date information, a well-done video is likely to be assumed the original.


Oh I've had that trouble before, and I didn't even use the same video source as the "better video" but I made mine first, still I got several comments from people who said I copied, or mine was a cheap rip-off which is funny because the other didn't even exist for a long time after mine did.
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Re: "I can do better!"

Postby kenisama » Sat Nov 05, 2011 12:58 pm

JaddziaDax wrote:
DriftRoot wrote:Here's the thing, though: if no one has any date information, a well-done video is likely to be assumed the original.


Oh I've had that trouble before, and I didn't even use the same video source as the "better video" but I made mine first, still I got several comments from people who said I copied, or mine was a cheap rip-off which is funny because the other didn't even exist for a long time after mine did.

lol that has happened to one of mine before :awesome:
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Re: "I can do better!"

Postby l33tmeatwad » Sun Nov 06, 2011 3:23 am

JaddziaDax wrote:
DriftRoot wrote:Here's the thing, though: if no one has any date information, a well-done video is likely to be assumed the original.


Oh I've had that trouble before, and I didn't even use the same video source as the "better video" but I made mine first, still I got several comments from people who said I copied, or mine was a cheap rip-off which is funny because the other didn't even exist for a long time after mine did.

We all know you have a time machine and go back in time after copying videos :nono:
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Re: "I can do better!"

Postby kireblue » Sun Nov 06, 2011 4:45 am

I always check to see if a idea has been done before I even start editing. There was actually only one time where I decided to go ahead and make a video even though someone had already done it. When I was making my "Maya and Company" AMV, I saw that someone had actually made that song/anime combination 3 years earlier. I really didn't like the way that it was edited, so I went ahead and made mine anyway. And since Maya has so few scenes in Azumanga Daioh, I couldn't even avoid using the same scenes as the original editor (but at different places in the video). The two videos are undoubtedly different though.

I'm glad that I check before I start editing though. If I didn't I would have actually went through with my Shugo Chara / Tic Toc AMV (gawd that combination is depressingly overused. I still haven't found a good one, but the internet really doesn't need another "Tic Toc" amv)
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Re: "I can do better!"

Postby HalOfBorg » Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:25 am

l33tmeatwad wrote:
JaddziaDax wrote:
DriftRoot wrote:Here's the thing, though: if no one has any date information, a well-done video is likely to be assumed the original.


Oh I've had that trouble before, and I didn't even use the same video source as the "better video" but I made mine first, still I got several comments from people who said I copied, or mine was a cheap rip-off which is funny because the other didn't even exist for a long time after mine did.

We all know you have a time machine and go back in time after copying videos :nono:


It's also a good way to get past copyright on your Encyclopedia. :)
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Re: "I can do better!"

Postby Bakadeshi » Mon Nov 07, 2011 10:17 am

At first when i first started editing, I used to check, but If i get an idea I really like, I just make it. I don;t even check before hand if it has been made anymore, because I don't want it to influence my editing.

I make videos because I want to see my ideas come to life. I really don't care about anything else. That said, I would be lying if I said being recognized for a video you are proud of does not feel good. But I look at that as a bonus, not the reason I make them.
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Re: "I can do better!"

Postby Cyanna » Wed Nov 23, 2011 8:29 pm

At least two times I was working on a project and then discovered that the song/anime combo already existed.

I also check to make sure the combo hasn't been done before. But by the time I get to that stage, I have some idea as to what I want my own to look like. If the other editor took things in a mostly different direction then I'll stick to the project. If the vision (the scene selection in particular) is mostly identical. The question I ask myself really isn't "Can I do better?" but "Do I have something "new" to contribute?".
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Re: "I can do better!"

Postby Shinta Kakumei » Wed Dec 07, 2011 1:58 am

I generally look to see if an idea I have has been done - that is, if I remember - but I kind of decide on a case-by-case basis. I've taken a couple very overdone ideas and made them just differently enough to feel good about it (Death Note to Another One Bites the Dust, for example). But if I find that someone has taken the same anime/song, and done the same or better editing, with the same idea, I won't bother to make my own. I'll just be happy watching theirs. Only once have I ever watched a video and thought "this is such a great idea, but such a terrible video, that I want to make my own." And in fact, the creator ended up liking mine better than hers, so she didn't mind. XD

But in all honesty, I often don't even think to look until after I'm done or almost done anyway, and by then, I'm too far into it to stop if I wanted to.
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