Steins;Gate

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Re: Steins;Gate

Postby ibabrak » Tue Sep 06, 2011 4:34 pm

ep 23 was such an thrilling muahahaha chapter.
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The Fact that he actually stabbed Kurisu himself knocked me dead but it added that much spice in the souse.

I don't think I'll be able to accept that this is gonna end with just another 3 episodes.. :(
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Re: Steins;Gate

Postby kireblue » Tue Sep 06, 2011 9:43 pm

ibabrak wrote:ep 23 was such an thrilling muahahaha chapter.
Spoiler :
The Fact that he actually stabbed Kurisu himself knocked me dead but it added that much spice in the souse.

I don't think I'll be able to accept that this is gonna end with just another 3 episodes.. :(

I love this show so much.
Spoiler :
Okarin's "I'm so tired" line was so powerful that I wanted to cry.
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Re: Steins;Gate

Postby Cross/fade » Wed Sep 07, 2011 1:14 am

This episode was so epic I had to watch it twice ..... and that happens rarely this days.

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When the message from the future Okarin started playing everything went UBER-GAR suddenly.

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Also, you guys might want to read this. It's a post from Divine (Random Curiosity anime blog) that explains what is exactly happening. It doesn't contain any spoilers so everyone is safe to read it. It actually blows my mind how well written this Light Novel is:

Spoiler :
This is actually a lot more convoluted than it seems, so I get the feeling that not too many people truly understand what’s going on. It took me a while to make sense of it myself and I had to refer to a timeline for the game to do so. For some of the not-so-obvious implications of all the time travel — which the anime probably won’t explain in anymore detail — see below.

The main reason that Rintarou of 2025 didn’t send his video D-mail, a.k.a. movie mail, to Rintarou of July 28th and tell that version of himself to save Kurisu is because he wants to preserve the three weeks of hell he went through where he developed feelings for Kurisu. (Three weeks actual time, but he may have spent years repeating those three weeks for all we know.)

It was that experience that drove the current Rintarou of August 21st to spend the next 15 years of his life with Daru creating a time machine and perfecting the video D-mail to try and save Kurisu. He wants to cause a divergence towards Steins Gate after those three weeks and not before it. To accomplish that, he needs Rintarou of 8/21 to do it for him. He also needs to trick history.

The reason why the video D-mail from 2025 came after Suzuha from 2036 is because her arrival is a prerequisite to put the current Rintarou of 8/21 into a slightly modified version of the Beta timeline where he will send a movie mail back to himself. The reason why Suzuha didn’t go back in time until 2036 is because the time machine wasn’t completed until 11 years later. (Note: As Suzuha mentioned before, Rintarou was already dead by then, having been killed in 2025, leaving Daru to finish the time machine alone. Incidentally, 2025 is when World War 3 broke out in the Beta timeline.)

In this version of the Beta timeline, everything from the “world’s perspective” remains the same. Kurisu is still dead, except she’s killed by Rintarou. History is fooled because Suzuha has inserted a change in history that allows Rintarou to receive a movie mail, while adhering to the effects of the Attractor Field convergence — the phenomenon where certain events in a given timeline are fated. Rather than fighting hopelessly against fate, Rintarou of 2025′s plan is to first go along with it. In other words, whether Rintarou or Dr. Nakabachi kills Kurisu doesn’t change fact that Rintarou and Daru will spend the next 15 years of their life creating a time machine and perfecting the video D-mail. A change definitely occurred though since Rintarou of 8/21 is now responsible for killing Kurisu, but it’s so subtle that there was no perceived divergence. It went practically undetected by the timeline. As soon as Rintarou of Suzuha returned to August 21st, 2010, they were already on a path to a slightly different future though. According to the game, the shift was from only from 1.130205 to 1.130209~1.130211. i.e. a 0.000004~0.000006 change.

The video mail sent to Rintarou on July 28th is only readable now because it is sent by the Rintarou of 8/21 that killed Kurisu. The original Rintarou of 7/28 (in episode one) received noise, because Rintarou of 2025 had to send one (even if it was blank) so that the current Rintarou of 8/21 will send one as well fifteen years from now when he becomes Rintarou of 2025. Remember, the subtle change on who killed Kurisu doesn’t change the current future. However, Rintarou can change the contents of that D-mail to himself like we saw here. The first Rintarou of 2025 who didn’t kill Kurisu left a future means to get a message back to Rintarou of 8/21 where he can keep trying to save Kurisu. This time, it’s over a span of 15 years and Rintarou is receiving D-mails instead of sending them.

Now that Rintarou of 2025 is getting closer to tricking history, he tasks Rintarou of 8/21 with the last part of the plan, to save Kurisu without affecting anything afterward that leads to saving her. It sounds absurd but makes perfect sense if you think about it. If Rintarou of 2025 or Suzuha of 2036 just saved Kurisu themselves, they would’ve pre-empted the very three-week experience that caused Rintarou to try and save her in the first place. They would’ve gone to a whole new timeline and who knows what would go wrong there. The plan is to stay on the current timeline but save Kurisu. To do that, he needs to make sure that the current Rintarou of 8/21 saves Kurisu while fooling himself on 7/28 so that everything that’s happened up to this point remains exactly the same. The divergence to Steins Gate comes from destroying the research papers, but starts from August 21st onward when the time machine returns to that day. It’s not explicitly stated, but I presume that would be another 1+% divergence since World War 3 will have been prevented.


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Re: Steins;Gate

Postby ZephyrStar » Tue Sep 13, 2011 11:33 am

Labcoat: check.
Future Gadget "personal computer used as a video player" (name under consideration): check.
Dr. Pepper: check.

MY BODY IS READY.
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Re: Steins;Gate

Postby kireblue » Tue Sep 13, 2011 2:20 pm

This was such a fantastic end. I can't wait for the movie.
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Re: Steins;Gate

Postby ibabrak » Tue Sep 13, 2011 3:19 pm

What is the best show of all times? Don't be stupid, you already know that.
I personally loved this series from the bottom of my heart and I believe there can be no show that would out best this one. For me that is.

Spoiler :
I was really shocked when Okabe discovered that the red liquid in that toy dried up, but I was also really glad it did, because using his blood for Kurisu was really touching. Also, as he with his hardest breath teasered her while saying "I told you I'd save you"

I also think that this show should get public holiday or at least nobel price or something.
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Re: Steins;Gate

Postby ZephyrStar » Wed Sep 14, 2011 9:49 am

That was freaking awesome. So freaking awesome. Can't wait for the movie.
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Re: Steins;Gate

Postby EvaFan » Wed Sep 14, 2011 1:51 pm

Been a while since I seen an anime I enjoyed this much. I'ma miss it, hope there will be a show that replaces this one for winter season.
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Re: Steins;Gate

Postby Emong » Wed Sep 14, 2011 7:37 pm

I had a day off today and thought I would edit for hours today. Deciding to watch a couple episodes of Steins;Gate totally killed that intention though because I ended up marathoning the whole series :lol:

It wasn't perfect but insanely addicting and
Spoiler :
getting caught in a desperate time loop was delivered very well.

Ofcourse, if you intend to enjoy this series you need to forget about logical coherence and pinpointing all the scifi science. But if you just leave all the paradoxes aside and focus on the story you'll most likely get a lot out of it. As I said I really liked the time loop episodes. A way to keep your adrenaline level up! Every episode ended in some kind of a fatal cliffhanger. One could also feel Okabe's desperation and when it was revealed that Mayuri had a vague memory of every one of her deaths the emotional impact reached its peak. I also liked the little insight of one the dialogues when Okabe and Kurisu were talking about Okabe's numbness towards Mayuri's repeated deaths.

All that being said, I think the show could have spent more time on the story and the characters and less on pleasing its nerdy male audience with all the fanservice and harem stupidity. Some of it was amusing but playing around with Ruka's sex for the sake of some hentai fantasy was just mean :| Also, are anime cliches and all the typical fanservice really getting so old and obvious that you need to add these ridiculous comical self-referential comments on them? It's as if they're trying to cover up the fact that they're just doing the same thing as everyone else, recycling the same stuff and just for the sake of it :uhoh: At least offer fanservice for the female audience as well!

It's really a shame that the show merely duplicated the same characters that are reproduced over and over again because there was a lot of potential here. Basically all the female characters were some kind of projections of male fantasy, in other words they were flat and boring, but I guess the show was otherwise good enough to cover my irritation.
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Re: Steins;Gate

Postby ZephyrStar » Thu Sep 15, 2011 9:24 am

Yeah, I tend to agree with you on the male pandering thing, I prefer good character development any day. I'm kinda torn on the fact that we didn't actually get a beach episode though, I can think of all kinds of hilarious shennanigans that would occur...like insisting on wearing a labcoat over your bathing suit.

One thing I actually really enjoyed was that Kurisu was not the stereotypical tsundere. That trope is so overdone in everything these days, but Kurisu is a fine example of tsundere done right. She has just enough of those qualities to make her endearing and smartass, but she's likable. :awesome:
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Re: Steins;Gate

Postby ibabrak » Thu Sep 15, 2011 10:00 am

ZephyrStar wrote:I'm kinda torn on the fact that we didn't actually get a beach episode though

I didn't read anything about the movie yet but I am afraid that is what it's gonna be about/echci shit.. Or is it gonna be going to follow up with the story? I'm reading the manga but I'm just in the middle but it seems that the anime ended by the manga since it's really short manga. :)
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Re: Steins;Gate

Postby [madaraxD] » Thu Sep 15, 2011 2:16 pm

EvaFan wrote:Been a while since I seen an anime I enjoyed this much. I'ma miss it, hope there will be a show that replaces this one for winter season.

I expect the same :)
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Re: Steins;Gate

Postby Warlike Swans » Thu Sep 15, 2011 11:10 pm

I really enjoyed it, though I could have done without Feyris.

I also feel a strong need to re-read "The End of Eternity" (Isaac Azimov.)
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Re: Steins;Gate

Postby ZephyrStar » Fri Sep 16, 2011 9:15 am

Yeah, I wasn't a Feyris fan either.

I also kinda twitched in annoyance every time I heard "TUTURUUUUUU"
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Re: Steins;Gate

Postby ibabrak » Fri Sep 16, 2011 9:17 am

ZephyrStar wrote:I also kinda twitched in annoyance every time I heard "TUTURUUUUUU"

This

but Mayuri was necessery as childhood friend he
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choose over Kurisu
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