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Re: WHATS YOUR PREFERRED RESOLUTION?

Postby ZephyrStar » Wed Sep 07, 2011 11:10 am

JaddziaDax wrote:My preferred resolution is the one that is the correct aspect ratio and closest to the original source, so I'm not a huge fan of upscaling just to upscale.


This. All depends on the source.
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Re: What's your prefered resolution?

Postby macchinainterna » Wed Sep 07, 2011 1:56 pm

848x352 LIKE A BAWS! :ying:
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Re: WHATS YOUR PREFERRED RESOLUTION?

Postby CastielTheFallen » Wed Sep 07, 2011 2:26 pm

l33tmeatwad wrote:Once I'm ready to add effects I will carefully upscale to 720p (either 960x720 or 1280x720) for use in After Effects.

You disgust me.
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Re: WHATS YOUR PREFERRED RESOLUTION?

Postby l33tmeatwad » Wed Sep 07, 2011 2:46 pm

PennyRoyalty wrote:
l33tmeatwad wrote:Once I'm ready to add effects I will carefully upscale to 720p (either 960x720 or 1280x720) for use in After Effects.

You disgust me.

Not a fan of higher resolution to preserve more detail due to the lossy nature of distribution codecs?
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Re: WHATS YOUR PREFERRED RESOLUTION?

Postby CastielTheFallen » Wed Sep 07, 2011 3:01 pm

l33tmeatwad wrote:
PennyRoyalty wrote:
l33tmeatwad wrote:Once I'm ready to add effects I will carefully upscale to 720p (either 960x720 or 1280x720) for use in After Effects.

You disgust me.

Not a fan of higher resolution to preserve more detail due to the lossy nature of distribution codecs?

Upscaling is always bad.

Always.
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Re: WHATS YOUR PREFERRED RESOLUTION?

Postby l33tmeatwad » Wed Sep 07, 2011 3:07 pm

PennyRoyalty wrote:Upscaling is always bad.

Always.

Not if done properly.
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Re: WHATS YOUR PREFERRED RESOLUTION?

Postby l33tmeatwad » Wed Sep 07, 2011 3:12 pm

l33tmeatwad wrote:
PennyRoyalty wrote:Upscaling is always bad.

Always.

Not if done properly.

I will also add your computer "upscales" videos during playback when you play them fullscreen (without telling it to alter your monitor's resolution). Carefully upscaling before encoding with a lossy distribution codec you give yourself more quality control. The key here is doing it CAREFULLY. Poorly done upscales for official Blu-ray releases has left a bad taste for upscaling in a lot of people's mouths.
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Re: WHATS YOUR PREFERRED RESOLUTION?

Postby CastielTheFallen » Wed Sep 07, 2011 3:44 pm

l33tmeatwad wrote:
l33tmeatwad wrote:
PennyRoyalty wrote:Upscaling is always bad.

Always.

Not if done properly.

I will also add your computer "upscales" videos during playback when you play them fullscreen (without telling it to alter your monitor's resolution). Carefully upscaling before encoding with a lossy distribution codec you give yourself more quality control. The key here is doing it CAREFULLY. Poorly done upscales for official Blu-ray releases has left a bad taste for upscaling in a lot of people's mouths.

ALWAYS.
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Re: WHATS YOUR PREFERRED RESOLUTION?

Postby l33tmeatwad » Wed Sep 07, 2011 4:06 pm

PennyRoyalty wrote:
l33tmeatwad wrote:
PennyRoyalty wrote:Upscaling is always bad.

Always.

Not if done properly.

I will also add your computer "upscales" videos during playback when you play them fullscreen (without telling it to alter your monitor's resolution). Carefully upscaling before encoding with a lossy distribution codec you give yourself more quality control. The key here is doing it CAREFULLY. Poorly done upscales for official Blu-ray releases has left a bad taste for upscaling in a lot of people's mouths.
ALWAYS.

I suppose you never watch videos fullscreen, nor do you ever watch DVDs on an HDTV, because THAT my good sir, would be on the fly upscaling ;)! If you do, you might want to go study the basics on this subject and learn the advantages you get from upscaling the video before playback vs on the fly upscaling.
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Re: WHATS YOUR PREFERRED RESOLUTION?

Postby CastielTheFallen » Wed Sep 07, 2011 5:03 pm

l33tmeatwad wrote:I suppose you never watch videos fullscreen, nor do you ever watch DVDs on an HDTV, because THAT my good sir, would be on the fly upscaling ;)! If you do, you might want to go study the basics on this subject and learn the advantages you get from upscaling the video before playback vs on the fly upscaling.

I don't. I know the basics, and the basic is that you don't upscale. It never looks good. It always looks bad.
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Re: WHATS YOUR PREFERRED RESOLUTION?

Postby l33tmeatwad » Wed Sep 07, 2011 5:08 pm

PennyRoyalty wrote:
l33tmeatwad wrote:I suppose you never watch videos fullscreen, nor do you ever watch DVDs on an HDTV, because THAT my good sir, would be on the fly upscaling ;)! If you do, you might want to go study the basics on this subject and learn the advantages you get from upscaling the video before playback vs on the fly upscaling.

I don't. I know the basics, and the basic is that you don't upscale. It never looks good. It always looks bad.

Interesting, I've never met anyone that never watches videos on the computer full screen and has a SDTV just for watching DVDs, nice to meet you :)!
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Re: What's your prefered resolution?

Postby CastielTheFallen » Wed Sep 07, 2011 5:09 pm

Well, I have watched dvds on an HDTV. But it's a shitty HDTV, and I acknowledge that it never looks good.
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Re: What's your prefered resolution?

Postby l33tmeatwad » Wed Sep 07, 2011 5:21 pm

PennyRoyalty wrote:Well, I have watched dvds on an HDTV. But it's a shitty HDTV, and I acknowledge that it never looks good.

I'm sorry for your bad past experiences, but there are good ways to upscale. That said, it will never look HD, but it can allow for a better look with fewer compression artifacts showing. There are things out there upscaled that most people don't realize was an upscale for the most part. An example of good upscaling would be FullMetal Alchemist Brotherhood, as it was not animated in HD but was upscaled nicely (of course it wasn't quite SD either). From just eyeballing the Soul Eater Blu-ray video, I would say that it's source master probably isn't HD either yet it looks amazing on Blu-ray (if it is HD, it's 720p, however it doesn't quite look like it is). The fact that we use very lossy codecs for distribution, an upscaled (if done properly) will always look better than an SD encode, HOWEVER, it will NEVER look as good as a true HD video source.

So basically my point is, if you are arguing an upscale never looks good, you are essentially saying anything that isn't HD looks like crap...
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Re: What's your prefered resolution?

Postby CastielTheFallen » Wed Sep 07, 2011 5:24 pm

l33tmeatwad wrote:
PennyRoyalty wrote:Well, I have watched dvds on an HDTV. But it's a shitty HDTV, and I acknowledge that it never looks good.

I'm sorry for your bad past experiences, but there are good ways to upscale. That said, it will never look HD, but it can allow for a better look with fewer compression artifacts showing. There are things out there upscaled that most people don't realize was an upscale for the most part. An example of good upscaling would be FullMetal Alchemist Brotherhood, as it was not animated in HD but was upscaled nicely (of course it wasn't quite SD either). From just eyeballing the Soul Eater Blu-ray video, I would say that it's source master probably isn't HD either yet it looks amazing on Blu-ray (if it is HD, it's 720p, however it doesn't quite look like it is). The fact that we use very lossy codecs for distribution, an upscaled (if done properly) will always look better than an SD encode, HOWEVER, it will NEVER look as good as a true HD video source.

So basically my point is, if you are arguing an upscale never looks good, you are essentially saying anything that isn't HD looks like crap...

No. I'm saying you should use your sources native AR and not upscale. It has nothing to do with HD or blu ray. If I were editing an amv where one source had a 2px difference I'd rather downscale the larger source than upscale the smaller, for example.
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