AMV flaws you want to admit

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Re: AMV flaws you want to admit

Postby dakotasapphire » Wed Aug 24, 2011 8:03 pm

Emong wrote:I heard a pretty nice quote which goes something like this: "Actually getting the message of a work of art is like being informed about public welfare cuts". At least if you have a slight leaning towards the left you should get the point :P One could say the same about AMV concepts :up:


Since when are AMVS works of art? they are basically mostly the creators of the songs and animes doing. All we are doing is using our program to say we love this anime and this song, and that we wanted to put them together in someway or another, so we made an amv. :asd:
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Re: AMV flaws you want to admit

Postby dakotasapphire » Wed Aug 24, 2011 8:05 pm

So, if your beat syncs, your effects and transitions work, and your clips match the song's mood and lyrics(or no lyrics if its an instrumental) than there really doesn't need to be a concept. It just has to be entertaining. :nose:

That's more or less a concept.
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That's a concept? Synching beats and lyrics? Okay, then I've been wrong the whole time :/ then I guess all good amvs need a concept.

Also, I'm not smoking anything, I'm just stating my opinion.
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Re: AMV flaws you want to admit

Postby gotenks794 » Wed Aug 24, 2011 8:11 pm

dakotasapphire wrote:Real music videos are made without concept.

This is a lie.
dakotasapphire wrote:Normally people have a special idea in mind.

You just contradicted yourself.
dakotasapphire wrote:(No concept)

???

And this is getting seriously off topic, which I suppose is another flaw - we can't stay on topic.
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Re: AMV flaws you want to admit

Postby Ikore » Wed Aug 24, 2011 9:00 pm

dakotasapphire wrote:Since when are AMVS works of art?
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dakotasapphire wrote:Since when does making a chair the same thing as making an AMV?


chairs=amv

intructions = concept = guide, basicly "what I want to do".

dakotasapphire wrote:Since when did a concept have anything to do with an AMV?


dakotasapphire wrote:there are many great amvs that just got popular because they matched the lyrics and the beat syncs. For example: the This is Halloween amv.


basicly that's a concept, or the issue here is that concept is only storytelling or something like that? , for me concept is the idea, what separates an amv from random scene after random scene. so there are not bad "suck" amvs, there are poorly develop concepts

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Re: AMV flaws you want to admit

Postby l33tmeatwad » Wed Aug 24, 2011 10:40 pm

Let's just throw it out on the table:
Concept:
1. something conceived in the mind: THOUGHT, NOTION

Basically EVERY AMV has a concept, it's just a matter of it being deeply thought out or not. The real argument here isn't about concept, it's about "pre-planning" an AMV.
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Re: AMV flaws you want to admit

Postby dakotasapphire » Wed Aug 24, 2011 11:35 pm

basicly that's a concept, or the issue here is that concept is only storytelling or something like that? , for me concept is the idea, what separates an amv from random scene after random scene. so there are not bad "suck" amvs, there are poorly develop concepts

sorry about off topic thing.


Yeah, the issue is the storytelling thing, thats what I meant... :p
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Re: AMV flaws you want to admit

Postby dakotasapphire » Wed Aug 24, 2011 11:37 pm

Also, its someone who's been bullying me saying my amvs aren't great because I wasn't storytelling. Its really getting confusing and I'm sort of mad about it.
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Re: AMV flaws you want to admit

Postby dakotasapphire » Wed Aug 24, 2011 11:40 pm

Sorry for causing you guys trouble... didn't mean any harm.... its just I thought your ideas of a concept are just basically about storytelling...
So, if you focus on the sad moments of a character in an anime(like being tortured as a kid and how they turned out) , then is that a concept??
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Re: AMV flaws you want to admit

Postby irriadin » Thu Aug 25, 2011 12:31 am

dakotasapphire wrote:Since when are AMVS works of art? they are basically mostly the creators of the songs and animes doing. All we are doing is using our program to say we love this anime and this song, and that we wanted to put them together in someway or another, so we made an amv. :asd:


I don't want to turn this into a "what is art" post, but in a lot of ways some AMV's ARE art. Does it require artistic ability to place clips in a timeline and hope everything turns out ok? Maybe, maybe not. What about trying to convey a message that wasn't a part of the source material? How about elaborating on a barely touched upon theme in the original source? The cohesion of all these different elements makes it more than just taking a song and finding a video and syncing them.

Think about it this way: an AMV is composed of a lot of discrete parts. Is your video source art? Yes. How about the music? Also yes. Now take them both, making significant edits to each. Are they the same? Did some mechanical procedure take place, like a program running a script? No, some kind of creative process was used to meld the two together, creating a hybrid.
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Re: AMV flaws you want to admit

Postby dakotasapphire » Thu Aug 25, 2011 12:53 am

irriadin wrote:
dakotasapphire wrote:Since when are AMVS works of art? they are basically mostly the creators of the songs and animes doing. All we are doing is using our program to say we love this anime and this song, and that we wanted to put them together in someway or another, so we made an amv. :asd:


I don't want to turn this into a "what is art" post, but in a lot of ways some AMV's ARE art. Does it require artistic ability to place clips in a timeline and hope everything turns out ok? Maybe, maybe not. What about trying to convey a message that wasn't a part of the source material? How about elaborating on a barely touched upon theme in the original source? The cohesion of all these different elements makes it more than just taking a song and finding a video and syncing them.

Think about it this way: an AMV is composed of a lot of discrete parts. Is your video source art? Yes. How about the music? Also yes. Now take them both, making significant edits to each. Are they the same? Did some mechanical procedure take place, like a program running a script? No, some kind of creative process was used to meld the two together, creating a hybrid.


I get your point... meh... :(
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Re: AMV flaws you want to admit

Postby Nya-chan Production » Thu Aug 25, 2011 2:00 am

dakotasapphire wrote:Sorry for causing you guys trouble... didn't mean any harm.... its just I thought your ideas of a concept are just basically about storytelling...
So, if you focus on the sad moments of a character in an anime(like being tortured as a kid and how they turned out) , then is that a concept??

Yes.

A story is a concept. "I want to make an upbeat video from opening scenes" is a concept, damn, even "I'll slap random clips on the timeline" is a concept.

The only absence of concept is when you don't define it beforehand. If you make a video and you don't know what will come out (I'll edit something, but I don't really know what), then you lack a concept.
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Re: AMV flaws you want to admit

Postby Ikore » Thu Aug 25, 2011 2:26 am

Nya-chan Production wrote:even "I'll slap random clips on the timeline" is a concept.
nevertheless and obviously there are concepts stronger than others, it isnt the same to edit with "the idea of set a lot of character under real live footage" than edit "a bunch of opening scenes under trance music" , totally and completely different levels of concept that will end up in different realizations, and like in any other art, concept is subject to the viewer´s interpretation.
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Re: AMV flaws you want to admit

Postby dakotasapphire » Thu Aug 25, 2011 3:57 am

Nya-chan Production wrote:
dakotasapphire wrote:Sorry for causing you guys trouble... didn't mean any harm.... its just I thought your ideas of a concept are just basically about storytelling...
So, if you focus on the sad moments of a character in an anime(like being tortured as a kid and how they turned out) , then is that a concept??

Yes.

A story is a concept. "I want to make an upbeat video from opening scenes" is a concept, damn, even "I'll slap random clips on the timeline" is a concept.

The only absence of concept is when you don't define it beforehand. If you make a video and you don't know what will come out (I'll edit something, but I don't really know what), then you lack a concept.


Well, then I'm an idiot. All my videos actually have a concept :) I normally know what I want to do before I do it. Like, if its a sad song, I chose a sad anime, and I choose the right episodes with the right clips to go with the song.
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Re: AMV flaws you want to admit

Postby dakotasapphire » Thu Aug 25, 2011 3:58 am

Ikore wrote:
Nya-chan Production wrote:even "I'll slap random clips on the timeline" is a concept.
nevertheless and obviously there are concepts stronger than others, it isnt the same to edit with "the idea of set a lot of character under real live footage" than edit "a bunch of opening scenes under trance music" , totally and completely different levels of concept that will end up in different realizations, and like in any other art, concept is subject to the viewer´s interpretation.


Yeah... I don't think its very smart to make an amv with just the openings of the anime... Itll end up looking like you didn't do any work at all on it(which you probably didn't... if you just used the openings)
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Re: AMV flaws you want to admit

Postby Emong » Thu Aug 25, 2011 5:37 am

Searching for a deffinition for what is a concept in an AMV is like trying to draw the line between what is art and what is entertainment. No matter how you do it you'll either end up as some kind of an elitist (with a very narrow and ultimately contingent deffinition for a concept) or you come up with a deffinition, which works all too well (when you define concept as an idea you'll end up covering everything with that deffinition). I think it would be better to leave this problem to an intuitive level, as the line between conceptual and non-conceptual AMVs is very vague and subjective, or just to recognize it as a false problem :P
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