AWA 2011 - Contest deadlines (all past)

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Re: AWA 2011 - Contest deadline dates

Postby kireblue » Tue Aug 02, 2011 1:18 am

Has anyone received a confirmation yet? I uploaded my video via ftp 2 weeks ago, but my entry page still says that it's pending.
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Re: AWA 2011 - Contest deadline dates

Postby Snowcrash » Tue Aug 02, 2011 6:49 am

Nya-chan Production wrote:
jingoro wrote:(...)MPEG-2 as an archive format is going away(...)

*tears of joy*

Double tears of Joy :ying:

Anyway I am in for the Pro contest this year |:>
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Re: AWA 2011 - Contest deadline dates

Postby Cenit » Tue Aug 02, 2011 4:18 pm

Is 720p 48fps alright for AWA Pro to send in?

You know that Peter Jackson is filming the Hobbit in 2*24fps (aka 48 fps) so based on that its a offical framerate i edited my AMV in 48 fps. Is it ok to send a AMV to AWA Pro with 48 fps framerate? What are my options if this is not allowed? Should i go for 24 fps instead?
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Re: AWA 2011 - Contest deadline dates

Postby l33tmeatwad » Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:59 pm

Cenit wrote:Is 720p 48fps alright for AWA Pro to send in?

You know that Peter Jackson is filming the Hobbit in 2*24fps (aka 48 fps) so based on that its a offical framerate i edited my AMV in 48 fps. Is it ok to send a AMV to AWA Pro with 48 fps framerate? What are my options if this is not allowed? Should i go for 24 fps instead?

Just gonna comment, 48fps is not a "standard" at this time, they are simply doing that for the sake of the film being done in 3D. The higher framerate is being used to help the 3D (and reduce certain flaws that show with low frame rates). Right now the current standards are 24, 25, 30, 50, and 60. I don't see 48 becoming a standard format since it is not supported by the current media distribution (Blu-ray) or TV broadcasts. That said, 48fps could become a new standard in the future since most newer TV sets are starting to go with 240Hz refresh or higher, so it won't affect the quality of playback (except on the "old" 120Hz sets, lol).
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Re: AWA 2011 - Contest deadline dates

Postby outlawed » Wed Aug 03, 2011 7:40 am

Cenit wrote:Is 720p 48fps alright for AWA Pro to send in? You know that Peter Jackson is filming the Hobbit in 2*24fps (aka 48 fps) so based on that its a offical framerate i edited my AMV in 48 fps. Is it ok to send a AMV to AWA Pro with 48 fps framerate? What are my options if this is not allowed? Should i go for 24 fps instead?


From my understanding the AMV room will play off computer so fps shouldn't be an issue. However there will be a showing in main events of the winners I would imagine like in past years. This will probably require staff to make a DVD version of all the winners. If that's how they do it then it then staff have to convert your video's FPS to 29.97 or 23.976 with pulldown flag. While I'm confident the staff at AWA can convert from that FPS the result may look different from what you expect and with so many entries to process they can only spend so much time doing it. As an outsider and general member of the AMV community my advice to everyone is to already have a secondary version prepared when using frame rates that do not match NTSC standard. It can save a lot of headaches down the road and will allow you to have more control over that conversion process that many conventions need to do.

Personally I'm quite curious why you are using 48 fps. Generally we are using 23.976/24 or 29.97 because that's what our source anime is or because of NTSC display needs. Folks going 60 fps are usually because the majority of the video is CG effects or 3D renders.

As far as the Hobbit here's a quote attributed to Peter Jackson
"Converting a film shot at 48 fps down to 24 fps is not a hugely difficult process, but it requires testing to achieve the best results. Some of this involves digital processes during post-production. We are also shooting the film a slightly different way, which is a question several of you asked. Normally you shoot a movie with a 180-degree shutter angle. Changing the shutter angle affects the amount of motion blur captured during movement. Reducing the shutter angle gives you the stroby (or jerky) “Saving Private Ryan” look. However, we’re going the other way, shooting at 48 fps with a 270 degree shutter angle. This gives the 48 fps a lovely silky look, and creates a very pleasing look at 24 fps as well. In fact, our DP, Andrew Lesnie, and I prefer the look of 24 fps when it comes from a 48 fps master."
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Re: AWA 2011 - Contest deadline dates

Postby jingoro » Wed Aug 03, 2011 10:45 am

Cenit wrote:Is 720p 48fps alright for AWA Pro to send in? You know that Peter Jackson is filming the Hobbit in 2*24fps (aka 48 fps) so based on that its a offical framerate i edited my AMV in 48 fps. Is it ok to send a AMV to AWA Pro with 48 fps framerate? What are my options if this is not allowed? Should i go for 24 fps instead?


I strongly recommend sending a copy of your video at one of the standard consumer HD resolutions and frame rates (480P, 720P, 1080P at 30 or 24 FPS). You may also send an additional file of whatever awesomeness you've been able to construct, and I shall applaud you if it works, but be aware that among all of VAT staff we have only one display larger than 1080P (2560x1440 16:9 27" iMac). Video playback is problematic enough without throwing high frame rates at us.

Peter Jackson has a bigger budget than Daric Jackson, and The Video Art Track and AWA just aren't ready for RED Digital Cinema yet. We'll gladly accept such hardware donations, of course.
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Re: AWA 2011 - Contest deadline dates

Postby Cenit » Wed Aug 03, 2011 12:44 pm

No one shall applaud me and i'm not doing it for the attention, if thats what you are implying. I used to edit my videos in 60 fps since 2009 and was always converting them to AWA rules. Niotex brought me to the idea of editing with 48 fps instead of 60fps by doing some demo videos. Results were it still looks very fluent but from a editors point without the need to upspeed the footage that much. By saving those 12 frames per second (compared to 60fps) you get a more natural look compared to upspeed stuff to 60. Also when doing fast action sequences you still have enough frames to make it look enjoyable. I hope that justifies my decision.

By the way i don't think my question was THAT retarded to provoke an asshole reaction like yours jingoro. Get a grip, man!

Anyway since your hardware is limited and you honestly answered my question in the end i will submit my entry at 24.00 fps.
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Re: AWA 2011 - Contest deadline dates

Postby jingoro » Wed Aug 03, 2011 3:07 pm

Cenit wrote:By the way i don't think my question was THAT retarded to provoke an asshole reaction like yours jingoro. Get a grip, man!


Woah! What did I say?! I thought I was providing the best answer I could given our technical limitations when screening. I'd love to show your work off at 42fps or 60fps or anything if I only could!! You have always created exceptional works, and we've been privileged to have you submitting to our contests.

Please accept my apologies, and as we have never had a technical issue with anything you've submitted, please continue doing what you're doing.
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Re: AWA 2011 - Contest deadline dates

Postby MisterFurious » Wed Aug 03, 2011 3:48 pm

With the deadline less than a week away, I'm a little concerned, myself. The upload site still shows my video as pending, and I e-mailed my completed entry form two weeks ago, but the upload site still says "not received."
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Re: AWA 2011 - Contest deadline dates

Postby jingoro » Wed Aug 03, 2011 3:49 pm

Last I heard, VAT Technical was going to move the deadline. Please stay tuned.
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Re: AWA 2011 - Contest deadline dates

Postby Cenit » Wed Aug 03, 2011 3:58 pm

jingoro wrote:Woah! What did I say?! I thought I was providing the best answer I could given our technical limitations when screening. I'd love to show your work off at 42fps or 60fps or anything if I only could!! You have always created exceptional works, and we've been privileged to have you submitting to our contests.

Please accept my apologies, and as we have never had a technical issue with anything you've submitted, please continue doing what you're doing.

Please accept my apologies for misinterpreting what you said but "whatever awesomeness i've been able to construct" or the implication my specs would require donations for high tech stuff combined with the announcement to applaud me in case i succeed with the magic of simply raising the framerate ... sounds very sarcastical to me.

Like i said i'm just curious what the new regulations are about other framerates. I highly enjoyed AWA Pro last year so even when short on time i want to enter this year again.

Anyway this looks like a big misunderstanding. I'm sorry for causing some trouble.

Good luck with the contest. I'll submit my entries soon.
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Re: AWA 2011 - Contest deadline dates

Postby jingoro » Wed Aug 03, 2011 4:04 pm

Cenit wrote:... sounds very sarcastical to me.


The fault is entirely mine. I was trying to be helpful and amusing at the same time, hard to do in writing.

There've been no changes to our technical requirements. I rephrased the rules this year to encourage MP4 submissions (smaller, easier to upload, easier for us to store, supporting HD formats) and simplify the rest. Everything anyone has had success doing for us in years past is still welcome and appreciated.

Cenit wrote:Good luck with the contest. I'll submit my entries soon.


Thank you, and best of luck to you as well.
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Re: AWA 2011 - Contest deadline dates

Postby jingoro » Wed Aug 03, 2011 4:09 pm

All,

We have had some delays with the otakuvideo submission web site. Please rest assured your entries are not in any sort of disqualification jeopardy. I have a good number of both mailed and emailed permission slips that must be entered into the site before the status of your video will change, and the upload must be checked by VAT Technical as well. This will not, necessarily, happen before the deadline (which as I mentioned will be extended once more) and may take up to a week after we close submissions.

The important thing is that your video is registered and your upload completes before the deadline. If there are any technical problems with the upload, we will work with you to get us a replacement. The same goes for any permission slips that may be missing.

Thank you,
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Re: AWA 2011 - Contest deadline dates

Postby Cenit » Wed Aug 03, 2011 4:24 pm

Like the new system :P
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Re: AWA 2011 - Contest deadline dates

Postby Rider4Z » Wed Aug 03, 2011 4:44 pm

entered. :up:
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