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Re: Anime Expo 2011 Anime Music Video Contest Finalists List

Postby Rider4Z » Sat Jul 09, 2011 3:39 pm

pink haze wrote:@Rider: My sisters were laughing at me so much before the contest 'cuz I kept looking at you and going 'OMG It's Rider4Z she's standing like right there.' I didn't even get up to talk to you, I'm such a coward!

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Re: Anime Expo 2011 Anime Music Video Contest Finalists List

Postby Pwolf » Sat Jul 09, 2011 3:57 pm

xstylus wrote:Some will argue with me on this, but the bottom line is to make something entertaining. There were vids entered that were technically impressive but were boring as hell, and then there were vids that had simple cuts but were thoroughly entertaining.


Exactly, and that's, to a degree, what the point I was trying to make earlier. Once you can put editing and bias aside, you look at execution and what you get out of the video. If the video is well edited but bores you to death, it doesn't mean the video is bad. It's just boring to you. This is where the varying opinions comes into play and why I said a judging pool should consist of different opinions because one video that might be boring to one person but might be visual pleasing to another. Has nothing to do with how well the video was edited. But in the same sense, to be fair, editing should be considered very important non-the-less. Otherwise you get videos that might be entertaining but are also just the opening to an anime set to different music.
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Re: Anime Expo 2011 Anime Music Video Contest Finalists List

Postby Radical_Yue » Sat Jul 09, 2011 3:59 pm

There is a reason Pwolf is the king :3
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Re: Anime Expo 2011 Anime Music Video Contest Finalists List

Postby Rapter79 » Sat Jul 09, 2011 4:02 pm

That just leads to catering to your audience, which i have a problem with many times.

There are reasons major blockbusters typically don't win academy awards, even though they please the fans. The question is, what is the purpose of the AMV contest, and what makes a good AMV need to be more widely adopted and known.
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Re: Anime Expo 2011 Anime Music Video Contest Finalists List

Postby Pwolf » Sat Jul 09, 2011 4:05 pm

Radical_Yue wrote:There is a reason Pwolf is the king :3


Yea, Ryan and Chang are jerks :P

I forgot to add that while, yes, AMV contests are meant to entertain those who attend the con, it's also a contest. Those who participate want to be judged based on their skills and abilities not based on which video is more entertaining. If you were to show only the most, subjectively, entertaining videos that were submitted, mind as well just drop the contest part of the contest and just show videos. You have to find the balance between putting on a fair contest and giving the audience the best show you can.
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Re: Anime Expo 2011 Anime Music Video Contest Finalists List

Postby Rider4Z » Sat Jul 09, 2011 4:13 pm

Pwolf wrote:You have to find the balance between putting on a fair contest and giving the audience the best show you can.

i think this year's contest accomplished that, and a good chunk of credit for that i think goes to the number of quality videos entered the judges had to choose from.
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Re: Anime Expo 2011 Anime Music Video Contest Finalists List

Postby Radical_Yue » Sat Jul 09, 2011 4:17 pm

Rider4Z wrote:
Pwolf wrote:You have to find the balance between putting on a fair contest and giving the audience the best show you can.

i think this year's contest accomplished that, and a good chunk of credit for that i think goes to the number of quality videos entered the judges had to choose from.



It took a step towards that, but I still don't believe that it was accomplished. A large number of excellent videos didn't even get considered or make the preshow. The contest, while taking small steps in the right direction, is still far from being a excellent one.

I don't believe there will ever be a time that everyone will agree on the finalists and such, but there were still obvious problems with the videos that made it in. And considering how AX likes to boast the numbers pertaining to the amount of entries it receives, it makes it very difficult to believe that those were really the best.
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Re: Anime Expo 2011 Anime Music Video Contest Finalists List

Postby Rapter79 » Sat Jul 09, 2011 4:34 pm

Radical_Yue wrote:
Rider4Z wrote:
Pwolf wrote:You have to find the balance between putting on a fair contest and giving the audience the best show you can.

i think this year's contest accomplished that, and a good chunk of credit for that i think goes to the number of quality videos entered the judges had to choose from.



It took a step towards that, but I still don't believe that it was accomplished. A large number of excellent videos didn't even get considered or make the preshow. The contest, while taking small steps in the right direction, is still far from being a excellent one.

I don't believe there will ever be a time that everyone will agree on the finalists and such, but there were still obvious problems with the videos that made it in. And considering how AX likes to boast the numbers pertaining to the amount of entries it receives, it makes it very difficult to believe that those were really the best.

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Re: Anime Expo 2011 Anime Music Video Contest Finalists List

Postby Rider4Z » Sat Jul 09, 2011 4:35 pm

Radical_Yue wrote:I don't believe there will ever be a time that everyone will agree on the finalists and such...

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Re: Anime Expo 2011 Anime Music Video Contest Finalists List

Postby Radical_Yue » Sat Jul 09, 2011 4:36 pm

Rider4Z wrote:
Radical_Yue wrote:I don't believe there will ever be a time that everyone will agree on the finalists and such...

this.



But that doesn't mean that we shouldn't strive for improvement.
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Re: Anime Expo 2011 Anime Music Video Contest Finalists List

Postby Rider4Z » Sat Jul 09, 2011 4:43 pm

Radical_Yue wrote:But that doesn't mean that we shouldn't strive for improvement.

not disagreeing with you. there's always room for improvement.

however continually keeping that thought in my mind keeps me from forming biased opinions that could easily fan forum flame. fffffffff.
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Re: Anime Expo 2011 Anime Music Video Contest Finalists List

Postby Radical_Yue » Sat Jul 09, 2011 4:47 pm

Rider4Z wrote:
Radical_Yue wrote:But that doesn't mean that we shouldn't strive for improvement.

not disagreeing with you. there's always room for improvement.

however continually keeping that thought in my mind keeps me from forming biased opinions that could easily fan forum flame. fffffffff.



So far, I've yet to see any flaming going on. Only opinions that were interpreted as insults for some odd reason. But relying on the good as a crutch to keep you going, while not acknowledging the bad and attempting to fix what is wrong doesn't really get you anywhere.

There is a pretty big gap between direct criticism and flaming >.>

Of course, those who don't know how to take criticism interpret almost everything negative as an attack/flame. :P
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Re: Anime Expo 2011 Anime Music Video Contest Finalists List

Postby Pwolf » Sat Jul 09, 2011 5:10 pm

It's all discussion, nothing wrong with that so long as no one takes any of it personally :P
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Re: Anime Expo 2011 Anime Music Video Contest Finalists List

Postby XStylus » Sat Jul 09, 2011 5:11 pm

Radical_Yue wrote:But that doesn't mean that we shouldn't strive for improvement.


It's a fool's errand to try to please everybody. Granted, I'm very much the fool. :P

The proper aim, though, is to put on a fun and entertaining event, not a perfect event. For the most part, Michael has received far more complements than complaints, so I'd say he can declare mission accomplished for this year.

And considering how AX likes to boast the numbers pertaining to the amount of entries it receives, it makes it very difficult to believe that those were really the best.


The determination of what's "best" is a subjective one, and your tastes aren't any more valid or invalid than anyone else's. There were some exceptional vids that didn't get in, but that's only because the other vids scored higher. I wish there was more room in the categories for some of the others to have gotten in, but then that'd make for one excessively long competition.

If you ever run your own competition you're welcome to institute your own methods on how to cull the selection of vids, and I'm sure afterward you would endure a debate on whether those actually were the "best" your show had to offer or not. :)
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Re: Anime Expo 2011 Anime Music Video Contest Finalists List

Postby Rider4Z » Sat Jul 09, 2011 5:16 pm

Radical_Yue wrote:So far, I've yet to see any flaming going on. Only opinions that were interrupted as insults for some odd reason. But relying on the good as a crutch to keep you going, while not acknowledging the bad and attempting to fix what is wrong doesn't really get you anywhere.

There is a pretty big gap between direct criticism and flaming >.>

Of course, those who don't know how to take criticism interrupt almost everything negative as an attack/flame. :P

i didn't say people were flaming. i was talking about MY mind and MY thoughts. but since you inverted it just replace "forum flame" with an "overall negative view on the contest" which i choose not to harbor. if i feel something needs changing then i'll voice it in my own way, which probably doesn't mean using a forum debate.

and if someone doesn't respond to criticism enthusiastically it doesn't necessarily mean that they can't take it, it's most likely because of the way the criticism was delivered. if they don't feel respected then don't expect them to give respect in return.
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