AMV Salad 5: Happy Meal (Nekocon 14, here we come!)

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Re: AMV Salad 5: Happy Meal (Post-Production)

Postby moonbunnychan » Thu Jun 09, 2011 4:38 am

Ok, just watched the beta.

If you do keep the penguin, it absolutely has to come later, after the explosion thing has been established, otherwise it kind of ruins it and doesn't work. After watching it all, I think it may actually work if it comes close to the end.

Pacing wise...I like it. A lot. There's a slight slowdown in the middle with a bunch of long clips but that's all. The one thing though is that it seems like almost all my Sailor Moon ones are in the last like 15 minutes. Those should probably be split up a bit.

The jigglypuff one I still think is SUPER funny but still has an audio issue at the end.
Not sure about the jelly doughnut one. I may be missing the joke or something but it just seems sorta...there.
Love the whip my hair back and forth :rofl:
The FMA one I just hope doesn't get red flagged lol. I mean, by all rights it's PG 13 I'm just paranoid from last year's drama.
I'm torn on the library one. It's SUPER adorable but towards I was ready for it to end long before it actually did.
Nice adding in the explosion noise to the Robot Unicorn one, but I think I'm still gonna fix it up a bit and make it a touch faster/bigger.
I love the hamster fluffy. It's so cute.
The Pinky and the Brain one made me for real laugh out loud.
I still feel like the screw in the tuna one could be shorter, but it's definitely much better now.
Knife wrench XD
Dunno how I feel about the Who's on stage one. It also just feels sort of...there. It may be different if like, it was at a concert type venue of some kind?
Watching that Excel Saga one I was thinking, since there's an explosion and fire thing in it, maybe it'd be better with having the explosion noise in it.
The Touch Me one still has that small audio glitch in it and just needs a couple seconds cut off (or I could fix it while I'm doing stuff tomorrow)
The fluffy exploding Full Metal Alchemist one is brilliant.
Upon watching it all...placed where it is I think I re-love my Princess and the Frog one. lol.

Also my production tag isn't in the credits. =p
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Re: AMV Salad 5: Happy Meal (Post-Production)

Postby SammySamaProductions » Thu Jun 09, 2011 5:01 am

moonbunnychan wrote:The Cuppycake one is in there twice lol

Is it really? Could have sworn I only saw it once...I may have to go back and check that out lol...perhaps it's so good it must be twice? lol
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Re: AMV Salad 5: Happy Meal (Post-Production)

Postby moonbunnychan » Thu Jun 09, 2011 5:02 am

Ya nevermind, I think I was hallucinating or something. :shock: (I've been up since yesterday and worked all night)
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Re: AMV Salad 5: Happy Meal (Post-Production)

Postby SammySamaProductions » Thu Jun 09, 2011 5:05 am

moonbunnychan wrote:Ya nevermind, I think I was hallucinating or something. :shock: (I've been up since yesterday and worked all night)

oh good! I was beginning to think I was missing something lol :rofl:
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Re: AMV Salad 5: Happy Meal (Post-Production)

Postby Gaelstrom » Thu Jun 09, 2011 5:10 am

The screw in the tuna one has made me a believer for now. As of right now, I honestly want to leave it how it is, because it will go exactly one of two ways. It will either make everyone bored and want to go on, or everyone will just start laughing their asses off the longer it stays on (within reason), and honestly, I showed it to a friend who's helped me since I started editing, and he had the latter reaction.

Hehe, right now I'm really looking forward to seeing that clip in AMA to see which direction it'll go ^^ If it starts tanking, it can be shortened, but if the audience is losing it, then we may have killed a strong joke. And to a certain degree, the Library one... if we can't find enough clips of guys walking away from explosions, I actually think it could make a viable substitute for the credits at the length it is somehow...

Speaking of guys walking away from explosions, I don't know all of FMA well enough, but Mustang must walk away from a burning building of some sort during the Ishval rebellion or something? I haven't seen Brotherhood at all, so perhaps that offers more possibility. And Deuce, you took care of the Cowboy Bebop movie, right? And are there any Shounen anime that come to mind potentially? I also know we can toss in the Eva from Evangelion when Unit 01 is walking away from the destroyed angel. I do not have Eva footage readily available though. Nor have I seen the recent movies yet. Anyone able to check?
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Re: AMV Salad 5: Happy Meal (Post-Production)

Postby Deuce Loosely » Thu Jun 09, 2011 5:14 am

I know Edward walks away from his burning house after he sets it on fire so at least there's that.

I'm gonna need EVERYTHING you all have by Monday so I can put the final beta together for AMA.
The Monday after is gonna be crunch time.
And someone remind me to mail in the submission form to Otakon so the stupid lawyers will be happy.
Crap...I'm gonna have to enclose a full list of anime used and that's gonna be a bear to put together.

Let it be known that after uploading the final version of this thing on June 24 I'm gonna crawl into a corner somewhere and let insanity take me as I mumble incoherently about unicorns and glitter...
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Re: AMV Salad 5: Happy Meal (Post-Production)

Postby Gaelstrom » Thu Jun 09, 2011 5:25 am

Deuce Loosely wrote:I know Edward walks away from his burning house after he sets it on fire so at least there's that.

I'm gonna need EVERYTHING you all have by Monday so I can put the final beta together for AMA.
The Monday after is gonna be crunch time.
And someone remind me to mail in the submission form to Otakon so the stupid lawyers will be happy.
Crap...I'm gonna have to enclose a full list of anime used and that's gonna be a bear to put together.

Let it be known that after uploading the final version of this thing on June 24 I'm gonna crawl into a corner somewhere and let insanity take me as I mumble incoherently about unicorns and glitter...


Sorry Deuce, I may have to request until Tuesday to get the final stuff in. I have a seminar I'm leaving on Friday morning and not back until Monday afternoon. I will even be bringing my hard drives, programs, etc. to edit during the nights, but I won't have much time, and I am finishing up one clip right now, plus I still need to up-res Captpan6's little clip (hope to have that done tomorrow night, but I have to go to my encologist and get my brother at the airport). If I'm going to do my own explosion clip I need a day or so more.

I don't know how you do the credits, but have you been doing a word doc or something and pasting it into a text layer in your program? That would make it far, far easier than editing a layer. Another potential is use photoshop to make an image of the text. It'll be huge, but you can drop it in and do a single move keyframe. Those ways you can more easily copy-and-paste based on moving clips around?

One last thing. I'll spoil what the clip is, because I want to do it... badly... if I were to say i could pull off doing Stein from Soul Eater doing the Bi-Winning Charlie Sheen remix at something like 50 seconds edited, but I could only have it done by the post AMA deadline, would you allow me to do it? I could do it next year, but I think Charlie Sheen's shenanigans would be obsolete by then.

And.. wasn't the form supposed to be submitted at the end of the month...? Please tell me you got something in by that deadline.
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Re: AMV Salad 5: Happy Meal (Post-Production)

Postby moonbunnychan » Thu Jun 09, 2011 5:30 am

You could always instead edit photos of you not looking at an explosion :p

But anyway, I shall get to work editing...well later today at this point.

I know it wasn't in this beta, but I still really wanna get the Lazytown one synced up properly the most. I think it was one of everybody's favorites. The couple other of mine that didn't make it I don't really care about.

I think for me with the library one it's well done but just doesn't really have a punchline. I don't dislike IT, I just don't think it fits in with this.

I know I personally start to loose interest in the Tuna one after "oh the humanity", but we'll see.

Also Deuce do I need to send you my tag again...I just wanted to use the same as last year.
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Re: AMV Salad 5: Happy Meal (Post-Production)

Postby moonbunnychan » Thu Jun 09, 2011 5:56 am

And as a side note...since both Touch Me and the Phantom of the Opera ones are both jokes based on Andrew Lloyd Weber musicals they should probably not be so close lol.
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Re: AMV Salad 5: Happy Meal (Post-Production)

Postby SammySamaProductions » Thu Jun 09, 2011 6:15 am

moonbunnychan wrote:And as a side note...since both Touch Me and the Phantom of the Opera ones are both jokes based on Andrew Lloyd Weber musicals they should probably not be so close lol.


I was thinking the exact same thing
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Re: AMV Salad 5: Happy Meal (Post-Production)

Postby krvabo » Thu Jun 09, 2011 7:20 am

Gaelstrom wrote:Krvabo: You have plenty of footage to do the three cuts. You just cut off the fades, simple as that. You only need it for a second to a second and a half for each cut. The boat scene has enough, as does the wading. You can even slow down the footage by 5-10% if it's a hair under. Don't let it go into the final with the weak ending, please, I like it too much to let you give up on making it work stronger. It's not like it's more than 5 minutes work either ^^ Do you understand what I meant when I described the cuts at the trumpet notes?


I do have footage, but it just doesn't fit the sound, I tried.
If I cut off the fades i'm left with like, 10-15 frames of video each, it looks like total shit if I do that. The 'extra' part I added is only 3 seconds long so if I'd put in three clips they would only be 1 second each and it really really looks aweful.
The boat scene is already slowed down by quite a bit so it would stretch for 1.5 seconds.

The ending is not weak, it's fine as it is.
And no, I won't 'fix' it, and nor do I want anyone else 'fixing' it.

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Walking away from explosions: There might be some in Darker Than Black and Black Lagoon. The latter has a scene in which the maid Rosmerta comes walking from a flaming (exploded) building. It also has a scene a bit later in which Revy and the nun from the church of violence are locked in their office/dock that's set alight.
Darker than black has the 'enemy' exploding a few buildings, but they may already be gone far from the place before it explodes.
Planetes has a part where there are smoke rooms being blown up and one particular scene where the suspect is quite close to it when it explodes, so he walks away _before_ the explosion, not quite what you're looking for right?
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Re: AMV Salad 5: Happy Meal (Post-Production)

Postby SammySamaProductions » Thu Jun 09, 2011 7:40 am

krvabo wrote:The ending is not weak, it's fine as it is.
And no, I won't 'fix' it, and nor do I want anyone else 'fixing' it.


I thought it was fine the way it is...
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Re: AMV Salad 5: Happy Meal (Post-Production)

Postby moonbunnychan » Thu Jun 09, 2011 2:50 pm

SammySamaProductions wrote:
I thought it was fine the way it is...



Agreed. It didn't strike me as any kind of a problem area at all.
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Re: AMV Salad 5: Happy Meal (Post-Production)

Postby kireblue » Thu Jun 09, 2011 4:31 pm

Deuce Loosely wrote:I always go into the "Custom" menu before render.
I choose "Best" video quality, 720x480 resolution, progressive scan, and two-channel stereo for audio.

When I try to render to mpeg2, vegas refuses to give me the option to add custom settings. And when I keep the default settings, the video quality gets messed up. Me and you must have different versions. I just sent you another version with the audio and video as separate files. There really should be absolutely no reason for it not to work.

Oh and if anyone wants to see it, here is the link to the version with the audio and video merged. http://www.megaupload.com/?d=BPG8DHTV
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Re: AMV Salad 5: Happy Meal (Post-Production)

Postby Gaelstrom » Thu Jun 09, 2011 6:02 pm

krvabo wrote:
I do have footage, but it just doesn't fit the sound, I tried.
If I cut off the fades i'm left with like, 10-15 frames of video each, it looks like total shit if I do that. The 'extra' part I added is only 3 seconds long so if I'd put in three clips they would only be 1 second each and it really really looks aweful.
The boat scene is already slowed down by quite a bit so it would stretch for 1.5 seconds.

The ending is not weak, it's fine as it is.
And no, I won't 'fix' it, and nor do I want anyone else 'fixing' it.


I just want to point out that I didn't say 'fix,' I said make it stronger. Yes, the ending is 'fine,' but that's what it is. 'Fine.' My entire point was to try and make it stronger if you can, give it as much oomph as possible, and I was trying to share a possibility I saw that I thought could make it stronger (which is a critique). That's always what I'm after for projects I'm on (I haven't changed that since AMVS3 ^^), and frankly I believe you should be too. Settling for 'fine' is a wasted opportunity as far as I'm concerned, not just in editing, but in general. I'm not trying to lecture, but I feel the world is filled with creators who are just 'fine,' so why add to that mix? Be better than them. Sure, it'll take time, but look at the best AMV creators and how much attention goes into every cut they do. They're also the most memorable and will be in your memory for the rest of your life.

That said though, if you just don't want to do it, then I can't make you do it, nor did I have any intention to. I figured you'd want to. The intention was to grant the audience the strongest clip possible, it has nothing to do with you. It has to do with them. It's always about them, nobody else, because they are the ones who see it. If you were just making this for yourself, you could laugh at the idea in your head any time and save yourself the work.

kireblue wrote:Oh and if anyone wants to see it, here is the link to the version with the audio and video merged. http://www.megaupload.com/?d=BPG8DHTV


This clip is a little hard to follow. You have a lot of effects and it's hard to see the characters and who's saying what, I think it may need some kind of establishing shot. But the part where the parrot creature is getting fried strikes me as way too much happening for such a mellow line of complaining. Right now I feel this clip's a bit too confusing to be amusing, I think this audio would do better with different footage than this personally. Like you could even have two separate sources, use the Digimon creature for deeper audio, then shift to a character from a different source potentially in a building that gets fried, for example off the top of my head, Ed (I've gotta stop using FMA so much -_-), he'd fit that voice, and then have the Digimon character say the children's toy line. It's just difficult to visually latch on to anything that anchors the initial dialogue as it is right now.
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