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Re: How do you judge contest credibility?

Postby l33tmeatwad » Thu May 05, 2011 3:42 pm

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l33tmeatwad wrote:When it comes to "acceptable content," EVERYONE throws up the PG-13, yet NO ONE sticks by it. Perhaps I just push the line a little bit, but I have gotten comments for some judges about my videos containing unacceptable content in the video, yet there is typically FAR WORSE content in actual PG-13 movies.

This is an important one. Know what PG13 means before you set it as your standard. It allows for conditional use of foul language, non-sexual nudity, somewhat bloody violence, etc. There are lines you have to cross to hit an R rating, and they're much more difficult to do with animated footage than with live action.


Also some of the language constraints in PG-13 does add up
one example is PG-13 allows for the use of the word fuck, once. Say you get 2 or 3 excellent videos that say fuck, and by how you make cuts all 3 would make the contest, how fair is it to at that point only choose one of those videos. Same goes with violence, you can only show so much up to a point and while the video itself may be PG-13, combined with the other videos as a whole in the contest you may push past the line into R.

This is very true, however the rules on most contests state to "keep it PG-13" implying that a particular individual needs to do that. Perhaps there needs to be a standard developed or a better way of limiting it so the overall competition can stay at PG-13. Just some thoughts, I don't have a solution to the problem myself, but it can lead to confusion. This way of looking at it gives the contestant no real way of actually knowing what kind of content they should leave out of their videos.
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Re: How do you judge contest credibility?

Postby Seijin_Dinger » Thu May 05, 2011 3:48 pm

perhaps stating that the contest as a whole needs to fall within pg-13, then its not stating each video can push it to limits, but outlining that all the finalists combined remain within that guideline
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Re: How do you judge contest credibility?

Postby Amo-Chan » Thu May 05, 2011 3:52 pm

As far as PG-13 goes, I know that maybe some people are pretty vague as to what actually constitutes that rating. If I've made a PG-13 video I always send a message to the coordinator saying something like "my video has the 'f' word in it, used once in a non-sexual manner, which qualifies as PG-13. Will this be a problem or should I send you an edited version?"
All but once, I've been asked to send the bleeped version. I honestly think contests anymore should just go out and say they only want a G or PG sort of video, because I think that's what they really want.
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Re: How do you judge contest credibility?

Postby Seijin_Dinger » Thu May 05, 2011 3:57 pm

Amo-Chan: the PG-13 also does allow for a higher degree of violence etc to be displayed
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Re: How do you judge contest credibility?

Postby l33tmeatwad » Thu May 05, 2011 4:06 pm

From what I've gathered, most contests want PG-13 level violence, with close to radio edit style audio and PG level of sexual content.
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Re: How do you judge contest credibility?

Postby BasharOfTheAges » Thu May 05, 2011 4:11 pm

Rules on content should pertain to each submission in isolation. An applicant should not be responsible for anyone's content but their own. "This is a <rating> contest" is not a clearly defined thing you should be saying on a rules sheet... it's a wishy-washy statement that's a non-sequitir to the rule set. Direct listings of what you expect out of a single individual video should really be all that you convey with your rules. It's like a contract - or at least most people tend to treat it that way with having to sign it and all - contracts work both ways. Both parties stick to their word.

It's one of those "the convention execs might give me shit about it, but it's in the rules now, so I'll obey and re-write them next year" sorta things.
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Re: How do you judge contest credibility?

Postby Amo-Chan » Thu May 05, 2011 4:20 pm

Seijin_Dinger wrote:Amo-Chan: the PG-13 also does allow for a higher degree of violence etc to be displayed


Oh, I know that. I was just using my own personal example. I don't usually do violence in my vids, but I'm a HUGE fan of swearing XD.
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Re: How do you judge contest credibility?

Postby CorpseGoddess » Thu May 05, 2011 5:55 pm

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Seijin_Dinger wrote:Amo-Chan: the PG-13 also does allow for a higher degree of violence etc to be displayed


Oh, I know that. I was just using my own personal example. I don't usually do violence in my vids, but I'm a HUGE fan of swearing XD.


It's been my experience that the "PG-13" usually pertains to language and/or sexually explicit situations, at least in North America. Blood and guts is okay for the kiddies, but for THE LOVE OF GOD DON'T LET THEM SEE ANY TITTIES!
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Re: How do you judge contest credibility?

Postby Rider4Z » Thu May 05, 2011 6:17 pm

i'll enter anything if:

1.) i'm not required to attend. i would love to attend any and all conventions in north america but i work and need money to pay for my mortgage and car. i enter contests not to win but to give my videos exposure. whether i make the finals / win is up to the judges and/or audience.

2.) mp4 and online submissions are allowed. i save creditless versions of all my videos, compressed and ready for upload. not allowing credits is understandable, but requiring specific amounts of black before and/or after the video is pushing it. those i probably won't submit to if they require i go back to my original source and have to change something.


other than that, whatever the coordinators require is their business. if they have no trolling policies due to the age of a video or wins, then i do my best to oblige. in my opinion, putting on contests is a lot of work and they're the ones doing us the favor. so i try not to contribute to the complaining.
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Re: How do you judge contest credibility?

Postby HalOfBorg » Thu May 05, 2011 8:07 pm

Rider4Z wrote:i'll enter anything if:
1.) i'm not required to attend. i would love to attend any and all conventions in north america but i work and need money to pay for my mortgage and car. i enter contests not to win but to give my videos exposure. whether i make the finals / win is up to the judges and/or audience.
2.) mp4 and online submissions are allowed. i save creditless versions of all my videos, compressed and ready for upload. not allowing credits is understandable, but requiring specific amounts of black before and/or after the video is pushing it. those i probably won't submit to if they require i go back to my original source and have to change something.
other than that, whatever the coordinators require is their business. if they have no trolling policies due to the age of a video or wins, then i do my best to oblige. in my opinion, putting on contests is a lot of work and they're the ones doing us the favor. so i try not to contribute to the complaining.


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Re: How do you judge contest credibility?

Postby Rider4Z » Thu May 05, 2011 8:50 pm

HalOfBorg wrote:Wow - I could have written this - but not as well. (in fact, I think I did) :)

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Re: How do you judge contest credibility?

Postby Pwolf » Thu May 05, 2011 8:57 pm

Rider4Z wrote: but requiring specific amounts of black before and/or after the video is pushing it.


That's actually not entirely unreasonable if you know the technical reasons why someone would want you to do that. Not to mention it's not that difficult to take your master copy and add 2 seconds of black to the beginning and end. i actually try to do this every time I edit so I don't have to do it afterwards. If you have to re-encode the video for the con, its only a minute or two amount of extra work (if that) so it's really not that bad.
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Re: How do you judge contest credibility?

Postby Seijin_Dinger » Thu May 05, 2011 9:03 pm

I actually dont consider it too much extra work to add the black myself as then I can better have an even spacing between videos. Just have never gotten to the right sweet spot of black space between videos, right now its slate=>1 second black=>video=>1 second black=>slate...etc and then3 seconds black between the last video of a category and the next category bumper
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Re: How do you judge contest credibility?

Postby l33tmeatwad » Fri May 06, 2011 8:16 am

Rider4Z wrote:in my opinion, putting on contests is a lot of work and they're the ones doing us the favor. so i try not to contribute to the complaining.

Not directing this at you, but I will say that a lot of people clump criticism and complaining together. There is a fine line between the two, but with some criticism things often don't evolve and improve. The key to that is to try and not come across negatively (if possible).
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Re: How do you judge contest credibility?

Postby BasharOfTheAges » Fri May 06, 2011 8:43 am

This thread isn't really supposed to be about actively complaining about what contests do, but rather, the things they do that make you just walk away and not take them seriously enough to participate in the first place.

The lead-in / lead-out stuff might be an odd technical requirement from your pov (since you can uniformly apply that sort of thing in software while making the contest DVD or playlist) but there's nothing inherently deserving of disdain about having odd technical requirements. I suppose you could say it makes the person requiring it seem lazy since it takes longer to re-encode your video than to insert a pregened black video segment to a timeline between title cards, but that's a stretch.
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