The Shinji Red Suit Dress-Up Award (Best Parody Video)

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Re: The Shinji Red Suit Dress-Up Award (Best Parody Video)

Postby CorpseGoddess » Thu Mar 03, 2011 1:35 pm

CodeZTM wrote:Explain to me in detail how EAOEM isn't a parody.

A parody AMV is [ideally] something created as a means to mock/comment/ridicule the oirigin. Anime openings is the original aspect, and it is mocking the overly used scenes that every anime opening seems to use, showing how unoriginal and repetitive that anime seem to use. It's more or less a "GET OFF YOUR UNCREATIVE LAZY ASSES AND TRY SOMETHING DIFFERENT FOR ONCE" sort of thing. Which, in the original context, is what a parody was intended to do. Mock in order to bring about change in the way people think/behave.

A parody AMV doesn't have to parody another AMV for it to be a parody. :P


I guess simply showing me a repetitive list doesn't strike me as parody--or as comedy, either, for that matter. When I watched this video, I didn't laugh, I just enumerated in my head all the examples that were left out.

All this video does is provide a visual laundry list. It says, "Hey look. They use this trope in this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime..."

Explain to me how that's clever, or mocking, or providing any commentary whatsoever.
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Re: The Shinji Red Suit Dress-Up Award (Best Parody Video)

Postby EvaFan » Thu Mar 03, 2011 1:42 pm

You guys are free to voice what you consider to be a parody but don't deny others the right. There was an imitation in crossfades vid, it just wasn't portrayed as well because it came more so from the audio of another video source but the original video sources implications are still there. That is to say its a parody, but I didn't consider it the best parody because it comes off more so as a character profile/comedy splice.

If we go by the textbook definition and what a few people say over the majority, I highly doubt there would be enough parodies every year to even have this category or it just wouldn't be worth it IMO.

As I said already, the vast majority has already voted for what they believe to be a parody to the best of their knowledge/choosing. Whether or not you agree/disagree with the results doesn't matter. You didn't take any steps during the preliminary process to voice concerns and are arguing over results. Vote for what is still there that you believe to be the best parody.

IMO If you want to prevent this kind of stuff in the future, you should have clear rulings as to what guidelines each category must have for it to be entered into the specific category. There will still be disagreements but they can be settled beforehand and discussed on a video by video basis before its already too late like it is now.

Lastly, this shit is the reason I hate VCAs.
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Re: The Shinji Red Suit Dress-Up Award (Best Parody Video)

Postby CodeZTM » Thu Mar 03, 2011 1:47 pm

guess simply showing me a repetitive list doesn't strike me as parody--or as comedy, either, for that matter. When I watched this video, I didn't laugh, I just enumerated in my head all the examples that were left out.

All this video does is provide a visual laundry list. It says, "Hey look. They use this trope in this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime..."

Explain to me how that's clever, or mocking, or providing any commentary whatsoever.


How can I explain why something is funny or enjoyable to me? It's completely subjective to the individual person if it was humerous or comical or mocking. To me, Nara wasn't enjoyable, but there are tons of people out there that are finding it to be a work of sentimental/artistic achievement. Does it mean that I'm right and they're wrong, or I'm wrong and they're right? Of course not! It's subjective.

To me, I found it to be a very fun means of showing the ability of the the anime world to be completely unoriginal and/or theifs in terms of the opening videos. The video clearly shows how ridiculously similar that cross-genre works are. All I'm saying is that it clearly fits the definition of a parody. I'm not saying you have to vote for it. I'm just saying it fits the definition of a parody.

For that matter, how was Bonklers funny? Just because it used Azumanga Daioh and exaggerated visual character movement and De:Light used something serious/dramatic? That doesn't make it funny, it makes it more "light hearted".
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Re: The Shinji Red Suit Dress-Up Award (Best Parody Video)

Postby CorpseGoddess » Thu Mar 03, 2011 2:13 pm

CodeZTM wrote:
guess simply showing me a repetitive list doesn't strike me as parody--or as comedy, either, for that matter. When I watched this video, I didn't laugh, I just enumerated in my head all the examples that were left out.

All this video does is provide a visual laundry list. It says, "Hey look. They use this trope in this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime. And this anime..."

Explain to me how that's clever, or mocking, or providing any commentary whatsoever.


How can I explain why something is funny or enjoyable to me? It's completely subjective to the individual person if it was humerous or comical or mocking. To me, Nara wasn't enjoyable, but there are tons of people out there that are finding it to be a work of sentimental/artistic achievement. Does it mean that I'm right and they're wrong, or I'm wrong and they're right? Of course not! It's subjective.

To me, I found it to be a very fun means of showing the ability of the the anime world to be completely unoriginal and/or theifs in terms of the opening videos. The video clearly shows how ridiculously similar that cross-genre works are. All I'm saying is that it clearly fits the definition of a parody. I'm not saying you have to vote for it. I'm just saying it fits the definition of a parody.

For that matter, how was Bonklers funny? Just because it used Azumanga Daioh and exaggerated visual character movement and De:Light used something serious/dramatic? That doesn't make it funny, it makes it more "light hearted".


Okay, you're right. Before we get into a debate about likes and dislikes and what makes the lulz and what doesn't, we should curb this and go back to my original assertion. Which is that based solely on the fact that my husband is awesome and makes fantastic videos, his is the bestest parody vid in the category and should win and if you don't vote for it you're all poopypants. :awesome:
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Re: The Shinji Red Suit Dress-Up Award (Best Parody Video)

Postby CodeZTM » Thu Mar 03, 2011 2:55 pm

CorpseGoddess wrote:Okay, you're right. Before we get into a debate about likes and dislikes and what makes the lulz and what doesn't, we should curb this and go back to my original assertion. Which is that based solely on the fact that my husband is awesome and makes fantastic videos, his is the bestest parody vid in the category and should win and if you don't vote for it you're all poopypants. :awesome:


Most definitely. Your husband made a fantastic video which SHOULD win. It's hands down the best parody in the category, and does the best job of defining the parody genre. I'm just an ex-literary major that loves to argue the finer details of some of the best aspects of literature and intergrate them into AMVs. More or less, EAOEM was probably one of my more favorite videos of the year, and I just wanted to defend it. xD
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Re: The Shinji Red Suit Dress-Up Award (Best Parody Video)

Postby CorpseGoddess » Thu Mar 03, 2011 3:29 pm

CodeZTM wrote:
CorpseGoddess wrote:Okay, you're right. Before we get into a debate about likes and dislikes and what makes the lulz and what doesn't, we should curb this and go back to my original assertion. Which is that based solely on the fact that my husband is awesome and makes fantastic videos, his is the bestest parody vid in the category and should win and if you don't vote for it you're all poopypants. :awesome:


Most definitely. Your husband made a fantastic video which SHOULD win. It's hands down the best parody in the category, and does the best job of defining the parody genre. I'm just an ex-literary major that loves to argue the finer details of some of the best aspects of literature and intergrate them into AMVs. More or less, EAOEM was probably one of my more favorite videos of the year, and I just wanted to defend it. xD


Oh, I'm a HUGE fan of semantics and the arguments thereof. I recognized a similar affection for this sort of stuff in your replies, which is why I figured it was best for everybody to put the kibosh on things now.

:bzz2: A VOTE FOR BONKLERS IS A VOTE FOR SEMANTICS :bzz:
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Re: The Shinji Red Suit Dress-Up Award (Best Parody Video)

Postby BasharOfTheAges » Thu Mar 03, 2011 3:30 pm

CodeZTM wrote:Explain to me in detail how EAOEM isn't a parody.

A parody AMV is [ideally] something created as a means to mock/comment/ridicule the oirigin.

... by means of imitation and exaggeration.

How you do it makes it parody, satire, trope, etc. It's a very specific sub-genre of comedy. So specific that I think EvaFan made a good point - there aren't enough good videos to qualify it as a category most years.
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Re: The Shinji Red Suit Dress-Up Award (Best Parody Video)

Postby godix » Thu Mar 03, 2011 3:58 pm

CodeZTM wrote:Explain to me in detail how EAOEM isn't a parody.

It's already been said several times, but the definition of a parody is a work that emulates and exaggerates whatever it's based on. Notice the reason doesn't matter. Yes, parody often is used for humor, commentary, or ridicule. But that's not a requirement and just because something is funny, makes commentary, or ridicules doesn't automatically mean it's a parody. Look at it this way, documentaries often make lots of commentary on their subject, does this mean that every documentary that has ever been made is a parody? No, because most don't emulate or exaggerate what they're based on.

Now, EAOEM does not emulate anime openings. It *IS* anime openings.

EAOEM also does not exaggerate anime openings. It shows what is already there with no exaggeration at all. The entire point of the video is 'Here's several examples of this common thing'. Exaggerating it would defeat that entire point.

Now, if EAOEM had taken those common traits of anime openings and presented them in a way that put them way, way over the top then it would have been parody. But that's not what it did. What EAOEM did was a list of tropes, done for the purpose of humor and commentary. It's not a parody for pretty much the same reason a civil war documentary or Chris Rock are not parodies. It takes more than just being funny or making a comment to be parody.

Sorry to contribute to this derailing of the thread, but comedy is serious business. We should all just be happy that there isn't a 'Most Ironic' award to argue over.
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Re: The Shinji Red Suit Dress-Up Award (Best Parody Video)

Postby CodeZTM » Thu Mar 03, 2011 4:32 pm

Hmm... I honestly counted the "here are 12 scenes of people running aimlessles in the breeze" as an exaggeration. :sweat:
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Re: The Shinji Red Suit Dress-Up Award (Best Parody Video)

Postby Otohiko » Thu Mar 03, 2011 4:42 pm

I also consider it a parody, based on my interpretation - I see it as a footage from a bunch of different anime openings passed off as it was a single opening sequence, just for every anime ever made instead of one single anime. In that interpretation, that is definitely a textbook parody.
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Re: The Shinji Red Suit Dress-Up Award (Best Parody Video)

Postby Fall_Child42 » Thu Mar 03, 2011 5:11 pm

EvaFan wrote:Lastly, this shit is the reason I hate VCAs.


You know, this is actually the most civil well thought out, best discussed dialogue I have EVER seen in my years watching the VCAs.

I'm not sure why discussions about music videos and the categories of a contest would make you hate that contest, but whatever not mine to judge.

Otohiko wrote:I also consider it a parody, based on my interpretation - I see it as a footage from a bunch of different anime openings passed off as it was a single opening sequence, just for every anime ever made instead of one single anime. In that interpretation, that is definitely a textbook parody.


I can see bot side really, I guess it depends on how you look at it.
If EAOEM was just a list of things, then no not really, I wouldn't see it as a parody.
If EAOEM was actually using the other openings to make one single opening. (except exaggerating it to mock it) then it is.

However based on it's presentation, I would have to side with the former rather than the latter.
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Re: The Shinji Red Suit Dress-Up Award (Best Parody Video)

Postby kireblue » Thu Mar 03, 2011 10:11 pm

Its funny how this is one of the few VCA threads that are still getting active posts. Since there doesn't seem to be anything else to talk about, that's probably why so many people are joining this conversation. But at this point, just about every viewpoint has been discussed, commented on and thoroughly examined.
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Re: The Shinji Red Suit Dress-Up Award (Best Parody Video)

Postby Kitsuner » Fri Mar 04, 2011 5:55 pm

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Re: The Shinji Red Suit Dress-Up Award (Best Parody Video)

Postby CorpseGoddess » Fri Mar 04, 2011 6:23 pm

Dr. Faux Pas wrote:Vote Pooperpolecat or you're a purplepants.


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Re: The Shinji Red Suit Dress-Up Award (Best Parody Video)

Postby Moonlight Soldier » Sat Mar 05, 2011 2:07 pm

Yea I'd consider my video more a satire. There isn't a category for that though so meh.
Not much you can do about it. Heck I won a contest this year for a category I didn't feel matched, but whatever. You can't control the ignorant masses.
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