AMVs that make you want to give up

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Re: AMVs that make you want to give up

Postby JaddziaDax » Mon Feb 21, 2011 1:20 pm

Well if you want to try effects like those, then there is no harm in that either. However I wouldn't let a "bad video" that also uses that effect ruin my own experience with weather or not I want to use that effect.

Besides sometimes videos like that are just short experiments and aren't necessarily there to "wow" anyone.
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Re: AMVs that make you want to give up

Postby godix » Mon Feb 21, 2011 1:44 pm

Ah, that makes more sense. The solution isn't to get discouraged though. It's to make sure there is always a a core concept to your videos and any effects are used to enhance that core concept. Just shake your head and try avoiding videos that should be titled 'LOOK WHAT I CAN DO IN AE!'
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Re: AMVs that make you want to give up

Postby Castor Troy » Mon Feb 21, 2011 2:08 pm

You know you're a good editor when people tell you they want to quit because of you. :shark:
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Re: AMVs that make you want to give up

Postby Nya-chan Production » Mon Feb 21, 2011 6:36 pm

Just feel superior that YOU CAN DO BETTER!

Without even trying, too ;x
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Re: AMVs that make you want to give up

Postby CorpseGoddess » Mon Feb 21, 2011 8:17 pm

godix wrote:Ah, that makes more sense. The solution isn't to get discouraged though. It's to make sure there is always a a core concept to your videos and any effects are used to enhance that core concept. Just shake your head and try avoiding videos that should be titled 'LOOK WHAT I CAN DO IN AE!'


My version of that video would be the shortest vid the .org has ever seen. :awesome:
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Re: AMVs that make you want to give up

Postby ZephyrStar » Tue Feb 22, 2011 2:28 pm

I'll make my usual post.

Just make shit you want to make. Seriously. Who cares what anyone else does? Effects are shit unless there's a purpose for them. Who cares if "nobody" watches simple videos? I think if you made a really good simple video and got it out there that you'd find it's much different. There will always be a contingent that will be insta-impressed by flashy effects usage or beat-zoom-blur-stuff. If your end goal is to be popular, then get used to that and do it. If your end goal is to enjoy making a really good and well crafted video, then well, what are you waiting for? :shark: :shark: :shark:
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Re: AMVs that make you want to give up

Postby outlawed » Tue Feb 22, 2011 3:07 pm

ZephyrStar wrote:I'll make my usual post. Just make shit you want to make. Seriously. Who cares what anyone else does? Effects are shit unless there's a purpose for them. Who cares if "nobody" watches simple videos?


[quote="ZephyrStar"There will always be a contingent that will be insta-impressed by flashy effects usage or beat-zoom-blur-stuff. If your end goal is to be popular, then get used to that and do it. [/quote]


That would probably be the issue for some. They don't want to do that. When someone watches an AMV and they feel like a bitch it means they just need more self-confidence. IMO instead of spending hundreds of hours on effects the self-confidence route is more efficient. Now I'm not saying to overdo it. http://www.theonion.com/articles/report ... call,1531/ There are extremes on both sides =p
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Re: AMVs that make you want to give up

Postby Castor Troy » Tue Feb 22, 2011 6:05 pm

outlawed wrote:That would probably be the issue for some. They don't want to do that. When someone watches an AMV and they feel like a bitch it means they just need more self-confidence. IMO instead of spending hundreds of hours on effects the self-confidence route is more efficient. Now I'm not saying to overdo it. http://www.theonion.com/articles/report ... call,1531/ There are extremes on both sides =p


I'll just flat out say this:

I'm confident enough to the point where I feel I can run circles around these "fx" videos. If they rely on effects, I'll mop the floor with them with story and concept. 8-)
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Re: AMVs that make you want to give up

Postby requiett » Tue Feb 22, 2011 7:47 pm

I feel I'll never reach this level of audio-visual mastery.

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Re: AMVs that make you want to give up

Postby machina21 » Tue Feb 22, 2011 7:50 pm

outlawed wrote: When someone watches an AMV and they feel like a bitch it means they just need more self-confidence.


So thats what my problem is, hmm...
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Re: AMVs that make you want to give up

Postby Panky » Tue Feb 22, 2011 8:32 pm

Well, the fact that you can't achieve certain effects doesn't mean that you can't create a good video. I must admit that sometimes, effects, when well applied, can become the center of the video itself. But then again, the most important thing is the substance, to try and send some kind of message.
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Re: AMVs that make you want to give up

Postby Davis 51 » Thu Feb 24, 2011 9:34 am

I guess it's just discouraging to see one that's such an all-out assault on one's senses (or at least attempts to be) that just falls flat and doesn't excite or inspire


Let me make a film analogy: You have films like The Social Network, multiple Oscar/Globe nods, everybody and their mother went to see it, made a killing at the box office, real moving story etc. It had a ton of effects, you wouldn't know because most of them are subtle, and go to achieving the mood and the period. It's got all sorts of clever editing and digital wizardry in the background to make you feel emotions subtly. Very few will notice 99% of this stuff, because none of it is obvious.

Then you have film like Transformers. An amazing film with amazing effect, and a unique Spielberg-ian charm. The right balance of effects, action, and editing, to really entice you. The CGI is generally stunning, and does its best to make you care about characters that aren't really there at all.

Then you have films like Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen. Now, I loved the first Transformers, but was hugely disappointed with the second one. Ultimately, it was a disco, a sensory assault amounting to very little. Whereas the first had a simple plot, this one had a tissue-thin plot with more holes than a swiss cheese factory. The visual effects are clearly unmatched: ILM outdid themselves and should be proud of the work they created. Now, both Transformers films used CGI only when necessary, preferring to use practical effects (mainly because Bay prefers to blow shit up IRL instead of CGI-ing it), however, TF:ROTF had so much overload of everything that despite everyone going to see it and it making billions of dollars, none of it really amounted to anything. The plot was throwaway, the characters were so many you had no connection to any of them, and what's worse, you had people assuming scenes that were filmed practically were CG. It was a boring film with one or two really cool scenes and amazing effects. Even most of the action sequences fell short of the first one.

And then you have films like The Kings speech, which have barely any effects at all, and yet still are universally acclaimed for its drama and acting.

AMV's are kindaexactly like that. Effects are neither a pro nor a con, it all depends on how they're used. I made an effects-heavy video a year back, it's Avatar:The Last Airbender so it's not on the Org anymore, but it did make it to a few cons. Those that praised it praised the underlying concepts, those that bashed it bashed my (over?) use of effects. I like the effects I used, I think they worked great with the story I was trying to tell, but if I made an alternate version with all except the most necessary chroma key/transition stuff, the essence would still remain.

The video you posted is actually a lot less impressive than it seems like, and it looks like the guy just dragged-and-dropped every transition/mask layer that was available with Premiere/Vegas/whatever he was using. He had some decent sync, and just dropped an effect whenever there was a beat. Nothing special here. Someone could probably teach you how do it too in an hour or so just by standing over your shoulder and pointing out step by step what he did. In my effects vid, every single effect was chosen for a reason, a purpose to enhance the story I was telling. The one you posted was just a hodgepodge. If you learn the storytelling first, with the effects second, you will be far better off in the long run. So don't be disheartened! Learn effects as a complement, not a substitute! Pick up tricks as you go along editing for story/comedy/drama, and those times you go "hmm, I feel like something really flashy here would enhance the video as a whole." I think you might just find that works for you. :D

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Re: AMVs that make you want to give up

Postby Khat17 » Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:05 pm

Lots of encouragement that I think you should listen to. There are lots of videos out there - I have about 8Gb of OLD ones backed up on discs somewhere - but personally I think that each video speaks to at least one person. Then again some videos just don't speak at all. Anyways - looking at one of your videos I don't really get why you're down. I like what I see. The song speaks to the situation quite well IMO and the timing was very good. Effects or not - depending on the audience - if your AMV speaks to someone then you've accomplished half of what you're supposed to do - the other half is to have fun making the video :wink:

There will always be something to be criticized in a video - whether truthfully by yourself or others, or by someone who is just plain nasty. Either way, when you get criticized you can take it and learn from it or choose not to based on how you perceive the comments. The same can be done when you watch someone's video - but depending on the situation I guess you should be careful not to steal the concept. And speaking of "speaking to" - I would love to see "Inuyasha - Here's To The Night" once more - but YouTube removed it.....but after watching it those years ago I thought about some of the techniques and effects that I saw and decided to try them out - not perfect but I learned something from it.

So you watched said video - timing looked ok but it doesn't speak to you (why upload a 20sec WIP? why not make it private or send it only to those you want opinions from? I guess public opinion matters) - maybe it speaks to some other persons - maybe you'll do a video that triggers absolutely no response from someone watching - but that is one person. When I think you should worry is when your style, or the message you're trying to get across in your AMV is not felt, appreciated or understood by EVERY SINGLE PERSON that watches it. I'm sure you haven't had that. So keep up the good work that I've seen and happy editing!
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Re: AMVs that make you want to give up

Postby Ikore » Fri Feb 25, 2011 12:03 am

Khat17 wrote:if your AMV speaks to someone then you've accomplished half of what you're supposed to do - the other half is to have fun making the video :wink:
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Re: AMVs that make you want to give up

Postby ShaggyD » Sat Feb 26, 2011 1:33 am

90% of videos from the past 5 years have better effects[/quote]
Even so, those videos rather lack charm[/quote]

Yea guys, my AMV's got Deleted from youtube, short Action packed seizures like this one are lacking in charm as the d00d above me stated,
this is rather simple really.
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