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Re: Anime Expo 2011 Anime Music Video Contest rules are up!

Postby Hagaren Viper » Sun Feb 13, 2011 10:00 pm

Castor Troy wrote:I'm making 30 crossover videos for each category. I can't lose! :ying: :shark:

Narutomon Z Club? :ying:
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Re: Anime Expo 2011 Anime Music Video Contest rules are up!

Postby DigitalPanther » Sun Feb 13, 2011 10:30 pm

Guys, (and Gals)(and those in between as well, should probably cover all bases ;) )

Let me preface this post by saying I am partially stream of consciousness/venting here. I am also speaking as an individual NOT an official representative of AX or SPJA. This is my PERSONAL opinion and commentary. That said I may not be the most diplomatic at all times, but I try to be honest and direct. I try not to play political games. This is a double edged sword.

On the whole money thing. Keep in mind this is tying in with our 20th AX celebrations and "Year of the Fan" activities. There is no guarantee that there will be cash prizing next year. Believe me I was just as shocked as all of you when the CEO, on behalf of the BOD, approached me and said "Guess What, you have 10K in prize money how do you want to divvy it up?...Oh and you have to present it as cash.(check)"

I was originally going to try and get Gift certificates to New Egg and such to help the editors expand their tool set then this was literally dropped in my lap. He then went on to inform me that it was part of the 20th anniversary stuffs. I have to be honest when I say I am absolutely surprised at all the negative reactions that have bubbled forth on this topic. However, I can assure you it is tempering my views on the idea of perpetuating it beyond this year.

Several valid and legitimate (and a few rather crackpot) concerns and points have been brought up here AND on the ANN discussion of it. I and my team will have to very carefully review and consider them before any discussion of perpetuation of cash prizing beyond this year can be considered. And we will do this after this year's event.

It seems to have also re-ignited the whole "Are AMV's legal" argument. I am not an attorney. I don't claim to be one. I have heard several arguments for and against. Expo's paying of ASCAP/BMI fees for the event happens to have the side benefit of covering the music aspect of the AMVs for the purposes of its display and exhibition at con. This benefits the event as well as the editors. However it does not cover the editor outside of the event. Nor, realistically, should it.

As for the video side of it. The biggest argument I have heard for this is the "Fair Use" argument. But the fact that most US rights holders are on record as saying they aren't particularly bothered by it and that many view it as free advertisement also helps. My personal feelings on it are just that personal.
In the end I guess it is for the lawyers and rights holders to decide.

Like you all, I want this event to be the best it can be. I do have several fine lines I have to walk to do it. While it is at times very frustrating and now and then down right infuriating, in the end, it usually pans out to be a good thing and I am glad to have been part of it. Thank you for your support and input. Even the ones that add to frustration. It forces me to look at all angles. for that I thank you.

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Re: Anime Expo 2011 Anime Music Video Contest rules are up!

Postby DigitalPanther » Sun Feb 13, 2011 10:31 pm

Hagaren Viper wrote:
Castor Troy wrote:I'm making 30 crossover videos for each category. I can't lose! :ying: :shark:

Narutomon Z Club? :ying:


Set to Linkin Park right? :)
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Re: Anime Expo 2011 Anime Music Video Contest rules are up!

Postby Vlad G Pohnert » Sun Feb 13, 2011 10:32 pm

Castor Troy wrote:I'm making 30 crossover videos for each category. I can't lose! :ying: :shark:


My entry will be an animated crossover AMV of Castor Troy vs Pwolf :P
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Re: Anime Expo 2011 Anime Music Video Contest rules are up!

Postby Castor Troy » Sun Feb 13, 2011 10:35 pm

Vlad G Pohnert wrote:
Castor Troy wrote:I'm making 30 crossover videos for each category. I can't lose! :ying: :shark:


My entry will be an animated crossover AMV of Castor Troy vs Pwolf :P


Dammit, I'll lose because he's the king. :|
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Re: Anime Expo 2011 Anime Music Video Contest rules are up!

Postby Vlad G Pohnert » Sun Feb 13, 2011 10:35 pm

Well DP, if it makes you feel any better, If I send in an entry it will not be because I want the money, but becasue I want the audience to enjoy it and it's a joy for me to make. I'll I'm saying is I hope that everyone else takes it that way and does not get too caught up on the money angle

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Re: Anime Expo 2011 Anime Music Video Contest rules are up!

Postby Vlad G Pohnert » Sun Feb 13, 2011 10:36 pm

Castor Troy wrote:
Vlad G Pohnert wrote:
Castor Troy wrote:I'm making 30 crossover videos for each category. I can't lose! :ying: :shark:


My entry will be an animated crossover AMV of Castor Troy vs Pwolf :P


Dammit, I'll lose because he's the king. :|


And becasue he goes to Sakura-Con and you don't... :P But that's another story, so back on topic...

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Re: Anime Expo 2011 Anime Music Video Contest rules are up!

Postby Castor Troy » Sun Feb 13, 2011 10:37 pm

DigitalPanther wrote:Guys, (and Gals)(and those in between as well, should probably cover all bases ;) )

Let me preface this post by saying I am partially stream of consciousness/venting here. I am also speaking as an individual NOT an official representative of AX or SPJA. This is my PERSONAL opinion and commentary. That said I may not be the most diplomatic at all times, but I try to be honest and direct. I try not to play political games. This is a double edged sword.

On the whole money thing. Keep in mind this is tying in with our 20th AX celebrations and "Year of the Fan" activities. There is no guarantee that there will be cash prizing next year. Believe me I was just as shocked as all of you when the CEO, on behalf of the BOD, approached me and said "Guess What, you have 10K in prize money how do you want to divvy it up?...Oh and you have to present it as cash.(check)"

I was originally going to try and get Gift certificates to New Egg and such to help the editors expand their tool set then this was literally dropped in my lap. He then went on to inform me that it was part of the 20th anniversary stuffs. I have to be honest when I say I am absolutely surprised at all the negative reactions that have bubbled forth on this topic. However, I can assure you it is tempering my views on the idea of perpetuating it beyond this year.

Several valid and legitimate (and a few rather crackpot) concerns and points have been brought up here AND on the ANN discussion of it. I and my team will have to very carefully review and consider them before any discussion of perpetuation of cash prizing beyond this year can be considered. And we will do this after this year's event.

It seems to have also re-ignited the whole "Are AMV's legal" argument. I am not an attorney. I don't claim to be one. I have heard several arguments for and against. Expo's paying of ASCAP/BMI fees for the event happens to have the side benefit of covering the music aspect of the AMVs for the purposes of its display and exhibition at con. This benefits the event as well as the editors. However it does not cover the editor outside of the event. Nor, realistically, should it.

As for the video side of it. The biggest argument I have heard for this is the "Fair Use" argument. But the fact that most US rights holders are on record as saying they aren't particularly bothered by it and that many view it as free advertisement also helps. My personal feelings on it are just that personal.
In the end I guess it is for the lawyers and rights holders to decide.

Like you all, I want this event to be the best it can be. I do have several fine lines I have to walk to do it. While it is at times very frustrating and now and then down right infuriating, in the end, it usually pans out to be a good thing and I am glad to have been part of it. Thank you for your support and input. Even the ones that add to frustration. It forces me to look at all angles. for that I thank you.

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If anything, maybe that money can go into a dedicated AMV room for next year since you mentioned there were budgetary reasons why it hasn't happened in the past.

That alone would be far more worth it than any cash prize to me.
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Re: Anime Expo 2011 Anime Music Video Contest rules are up!

Postby Rider4Z » Sun Feb 13, 2011 11:30 pm

gimme da caaaassshhhhhhhh :!:
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Re: Anime Expo 2011 Anime Music Video Contest rules are up!

Postby XStylus » Mon Feb 14, 2011 12:09 am

The Wired Knight wrote:Also yeah, I like the trophy more, trophies have memories. Cash doesn't.


I very much miss the autographed director's chair that used to be a prize from AX2000 and prior.
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Re: Anime Expo 2011 Anime Music Video Contest rules are up!

Postby Hagaren Viper » Mon Feb 14, 2011 12:18 am

To be honest, I wasn't expecting a cash prize after this year at all, I figured it was a one-time thing to go with the year's theme. I'm definitely not complaining about this year's prize at all, but I wouldn't be crushed if it didn't come back. I'm not in this for the money [Which is good, as Im pretty sure making a profession out of AMVs is, you know, kind of difficult], I just wanna give people a good show. The prizes are a bonus~

Admittedly the AMV=Profit=UR GUNNA GET SUED aspect of things does have me a bit nervous, but I'm pretty good at overthinking things as well, and part of me thinks the interwebs is blowing things out of proportion.

Appreciate the work you're doing though DP, it's kinda frustrating for me to have our annual AX drama start this early [Whether it is legit or not], so I can only imagine how you feel right now.

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Re: Anime Expo 2011 Anime Music Video Contest rules are up!

Postby Rider4Z » Mon Feb 14, 2011 1:24 am

Hagaren Viper wrote:
DigitalPanther wrote:Set to Linkin Park right? :)
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Re: Anime Expo 2011 Anime Music Video Contest rules are up!

Postby XStylus » Mon Feb 14, 2011 5:17 am

Hagaren Viper wrote:Appreciate the work you're doing though DP, it's kinda frustrating for me to have our annual AX drama start this early [Whether it is legit or not], so I can only imagine how you feel right now.


AX is always going to have drama because it's the big guy so everything it does is under a microscope. Not helping is the fact that AX had a longstanding bad reputation with regards to treatment of AMV activities in general, so the AMV event gets an even bigger microscope.

That's not to say the contest doesn't have its problems, but I feel the biggest problem is perception. Even if the event were running perfectly, it still would be hampered by a perception that AX "doesn't care" about AMV. I think AX needs to make a "shock and awe" effort to overcome it.
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Re: Anime Expo 2011 Anime Music Video Contest rules are up!

Postby Castor Troy » Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:13 am

xstylus wrote:
Hagaren Viper wrote:Appreciate the work you're doing though DP, it's kinda frustrating for me to have our annual AX drama start this early [Whether it is legit or not], so I can only imagine how you feel right now.


AX is always going to have drama because it's the big guy so everything it does is under a microscope. Not helping is the fact that AX had a longstanding bad reputation with regards to treatment of AMV activities in general, so the AMV event gets an even bigger microscope.

That's not to say the contest doesn't have its problems, but I feel the biggest problem is perception. Even if the event were running perfectly, it still would be hampered by a perception that AX "doesn't care" about AMV. I think AX needs to make a "shock and awe" effort to overcome it.


AX basically needs to become the next AWA.

With AWA's declining attendance among editors, Acen and NDK are trying to gun for the position.
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Re: Anime Expo 2011 Anime Music Video Contest rules are up!

Postby Ileia » Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:17 am

Nothing needs to become "the next AWA" I don't know why people are constantly pushing that.
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