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Postby JudgeHolden » Sun Dec 26, 2010 7:46 am

Just installed my first internal BD player/burner in my comp; and I have started to rip a BD. Anything I should know? Do I just use AvSP and Virtual Dub as normal? ect?
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Re: BDs

Postby mirkosp » Sun Dec 26, 2010 8:11 am

Depending on what the codec in the m2ts is, the process might be different.
Generally you'll be dealing with AVC video, so you can use tsmuxer to demux the video stream, mkvmerge to remux it into an mkv, then use ffvideosource on that.
Also they generally are progressive, too.
So just crop and resize as needed and then make lossless clips (editing with avs directly with BDs is too slow, really).
I guess that's it.
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Re: BDs

Postby Mister Hatt » Sun Dec 26, 2010 10:22 am

Is using ffms2 on a BD wise? :problems:
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Re: BDs

Postby mirkosp » Sun Dec 26, 2010 10:23 am

Mister Hatt wrote:Is using ffms2 on a BD wise? :problems:

Well using it on a .m2ts directly can be safe or not, but once remuxed it should be fine as long as it's progressive. Now, if you have an interlaced source, it's another deal...
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Re: BDs

Postby Mister Hatt » Sun Dec 26, 2010 10:28 am

Might have been a good idea to tell that to the OP instead of assuming his source was easy. Even on progressive remuxed stuff, ffms2 can have problems, especially on non-linear seeking. Eden of the East and sorakake BD's are both good examples.
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Re: BDs

Postby mirkosp » Sun Dec 26, 2010 10:40 am

Mister Hatt wrote:Might have been a good idea to tell that to the OP instead of assuming his source was easy.

I doubt he's dealing with imported Blu-rays, I think it's more likely that he has Funimation BDs, and I have not seen yet a Funi BD not being progressive, upscale or not.
Even on progressive remuxed stuff, ffms2 can have problems, especially on non-linear seeking. Eden of the East and sorakake BD's are both good examples.

Which is another good reason to make lossless clips as I did suggest. :P
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Re: BDs

Postby Mister Hatt » Sun Dec 26, 2010 8:04 pm

I've yet to see funimation actually do a bluray in 1080p. Everything I've seen has been upscaled DVD, and I've seen almost every disc they've done. Seems a waste of money imo.
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Re: BDs

Postby mirkosp » Sun Dec 26, 2010 8:27 pm

Mister Hatt wrote:I've yet to see funimation actually do a bluray in 1080p. Everything I've seen has been upscaled DVD, and I've seen almost every disc they've done. Seems a waste of money imo.

They've done 540/720 shows upscaled to 1080p. And honestly, it's not like shows are 1080p in Japan either. :bzz:
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Re: BDs

Postby Mister Hatt » Sun Dec 26, 2010 11:41 pm

Quite a few are 480 though. For some reason, they were using digital masters of analog anime, which was all 480. I haven't verified it myself but I am told that their Black Lagoon BD was 480->1080 while the Japanese one was 576->1080 (the JP one being 576 I can verify.)
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Re: BDs

Postby JudgeHolden » Mon Dec 27, 2010 9:23 am

Well, the Funimation Blu-Rays are often cheaper than the DVDs ... so infact you are saving money. :ying:

and I finshed ripping and converting a few things. Seems like it's just like doing a DVD. |:>
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Re: BDs

Postby BasharOfTheAges » Mon Dec 27, 2010 12:09 pm

Their Ouran release was an upscale that was actually filtered (quite well in fact). Granted, with lines as thick as they were in that series, it's hard to lose detail - they never had much of it to begin with.
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Re: BDs

Postby mirkosp » Mon Dec 27, 2010 12:44 pm

The Ouran BD was warpsharpened quite badly actually... it wasn't all that good of a filtering imho.
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Re: BDs

Postby BasharOfTheAges » Mon Dec 27, 2010 1:44 pm

It was better than the stuff they had done previously. For them it was an achievement. More because of how little they could fuck it up than any real talent on their part though.
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Re: BDs

Postby mirkosp » Mon Dec 27, 2010 2:46 pm

I guess I have to agree on that, claymore still is the worst they've managed so far, if the screenshots I've seen around fon't lie. :asd:
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Re: BDs

Postby Mister Hatt » Mon Dec 27, 2010 10:46 pm

IMO Ouran was worse than Claymore. Claymore had the telltale pointresize artifacts, but it didn't have the MASSIVE over-smoothed line-thinned distorted mess that was Ouran's (un-)tactical warpsharp nuking. A BD is also meant to have more detail than a DVD. Forget the fact that it is sharper, with six times the resolution THE DETAIL SHOULD BE APPARENT. This doesn't happen with upscales. Ouran however has LESS detail, which despite the upscale artifacts on Claymore, at least it has the same amount, albeit blurred.

http://a.imageshack.us/img13/8917/claymore01.jpg
Notice the both vertical and horizontal streaking caused by point resize, and how utterly void of detail it is. A fair bit of blur too.

I was going to link the Ouran BD screenshot I have but I cannot access my main machine to find the link, and Twitter is being sucky at loading things from over a year ago. It looks like a goddamn watercolour though.
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