Effects Vs. Raw;

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Effects Vs. Raw;

Postby xPiikanyaa » Wed Nov 24, 2010 2:19 pm

Yarp, this was just something I was curious about.
Do you guys prefer effect-whored amvs full of masking and flashy backgrounds and all that shizz?
Or do you like raw-ish, flowy videos?

Personally, I'm a mix of the two. I enjoy watching both, and enjoy editing both. And I also fail at both. X'D
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Re: Effects Vs. Raw;

Postby HalOfBorg » Wed Nov 24, 2010 2:22 pm

I tend to make the masking-heavy videos, but that's just me.
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Re: Effects Vs. Raw;

Postby Enigma » Wed Nov 24, 2010 2:25 pm

My question is, why does it have to be divided between "raw" and "effects" editing? I'm sure a lot of people edit on the middle ground of both.

I despise effect videos for what they're worth, me being the obnoxious pretentious scum that i am, those videos lack the substance i seek most of the time. So i disband them with my soul and condemn them to the lowest pit of hell.

So i guess i prefer "raw"/middle ground between raw + effects
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Re: Effects Vs. Raw;

Postby Castor Troy » Wed Nov 24, 2010 2:34 pm

HalOfBorg wrote:I tend to make the masking-heavy videos, but that's just me.


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Re: Effects Vs. Raw;

Postby BasharOfTheAges » Wed Nov 24, 2010 2:41 pm

Whichever the concept requires.
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Re: Effects Vs. Raw;

Postby Nya-chan Production » Wed Nov 24, 2010 4:19 pm

I love making simple cuts/fades, but when I experiment I usually end up playing with some effects. But it's never effect whoring - I plan something like that but who knows when (if even) it will get done.
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Re: Effects Vs. Raw;

Postby Knowname » Wed Nov 24, 2010 5:14 pm

I'm always RAW!
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Re: Effects Vs. Raw;

Postby ngsilver » Wed Nov 24, 2010 5:15 pm

For the most part I prefer to edit using the techniques available to live broadcast editors. Generally: Overlays, Cuts, Fades, Picture-in-Picture, and basic green screening. That's the extent of the majority of my editing and I prefer it that way. I rarely go beyond a cut and a fade. Some would equate anything other then a hard cut to be an effect, me, I prefer to equate effects similarly to a movie/tv production, anything you'd have special effects come in and do. So in a way yes, I do edit with effects and prefer that. But in reality in the AMV world we usually equate effects to stuff like lens flairs and Video CoPilot stuff and motion graphics and things. In that light, I'd go with 'Raw'.

But really, it all depends on what the video needs. I personally prefer minimal effects and if there are any that they should go un-noticed, but that doesn't mean I hate all 'effects' videos. In the end it really depends on what makes the video work.
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Re: Effects Vs. Raw;

Postby ngsilver » Wed Nov 24, 2010 5:16 pm

Knowname wrote:I'm always in the RAW!

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Re: Effects Vs. Raw;

Postby Arigatomina » Wed Nov 24, 2010 10:32 pm

As a Viewer:
If it's one of my favorite anime, then I want to see the anime footage. There needs to be a very good reason why the editor mutilated or obscured my favorite scenes with effects. If it's an anime I've never seen, then it depends on why I'm supposed to be watching the vid. If they're advertising the anime, then I need to see the anime footage. If they're advertising their effects, then it doesn't matter what backgrounds are panning along behind those effects since I wouldn't recognize the scenes even if I could make them out.

As an Editor:
I can't do effects. Never could. So by default I stuck with raw anime footage and a few gaudy additions/editions now and then. Some of my favorite vids to edit were ones where I tried (and inevitably failed) to be an effect whore by throwing everything and the kitchen sink at the screen. They were just weird and fun to make even if I never watch the finished product ever again. But my favorites to watch are the basic raw eyecandy darlings, especially the multi-anime ones. All my favorite scenes of all my favorite characters rolled into one vid? I could die from the pure unadulterated eyecandy overload. ^_^
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Re: Effects Vs. Raw;

Postby TritioAFB » Thu Nov 25, 2010 1:01 am

If effects are well used, yes. If not perhaps a raw video may work
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Re: Effects Vs. Raw;

Postby AaronAMV » Thu Nov 25, 2010 3:50 am

Hey, this has gotta be the first thread ever created involving this topic.
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Re: Effects Vs. Raw;

Postby -MD » Thu Nov 25, 2010 6:39 am

:| Effects are an amazing thing but then again....I can say, "holy what the fuck are you doing!?!".

To me it is all about integration.....if the effects you are using blend well with the footage you are using, then I consider it all good. Well, outside of considering the concept of the video as a whole. But really...for me it depends on what kind of video I'm going for, the lyrics, mood (I tend to use color changes for this), and the concept as a whole...Yeah, if everything blends well and I can't notice too much of a difference then you get a few points but then I'll question why you used what you used :3 There is such thing as way too much AKA I can't see the original anime footage...that or I've had one too many :beer: s
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Re: Effects Vs. Raw;

Postby OtakuGray » Thu Nov 25, 2010 9:48 am

I prefer a balance. Raw and effects are both equally needed to make a complete amv imo. I think if you build on a style, then it will end up being that clean raw/effects build. Kind of like empty motion and how "clean" it is despite how many random masks and effects were used. ...but again, its a matter of opinion.
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Re: Effects Vs. Raw;

Postby Magnus » Thu Nov 25, 2010 11:37 am

When it comes to AMV's mostly I get bored of effect-less videos, because most of the time it's spammed with random cross-fades instead. If a video, however, uses hard-cuts of the well placed sort,
a video can be stunningly enjoyable to me (koop's "paper image" for example). But most of the time when I watch so called "raw" AMV's, I either have to like the anime(s) used or the combination of sources in general.
However as I mentioned, if the video is well executed with its placements of cuts, scene selection and the 2 sources makes justice to one another, I might enjoy it if it is at the level of making me care for it.

Might sound harsh, but nowadays I mainly watch AMV's of animes I like, that way I'll almost always enjoy the video.
Of course I won't always like how it was made, but I usually give out pointers (editing-wise) if so.


So yeah,
Basically I enjoy the more flashy, fresh, experimental-visual-experience sort of videos.
Not saything the one is better than the other. I just care more for nice advance visuals than stock cross-fades.
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