The Org Redesign - What's wrong with the org?

[Enigma]

Fucking old people.

[gotegenks]

you people are ridiculous. the only reason i've heard for not making this stupid beta section is that it isn't necessary. For fuck's sake, why don't we just take out the donator's forum, since that's where all the unnecessary shit is, or even just everything BUT the announcement forum...no, i got it, LET'S DO AWAY WITH THE FORUM!

i think a section for betas would ENCOURAGE beta sharing, which would ENCOURAGE communication, connection, friendship, better editing, and activity, everything that outsiders say we lack.

the irc is unattractive to some people (including me) but for those of you that LIKE the irc, we can KEEP IT!

i agree, it's pretty unnecessary, at least for me, since i have a circle of friends who are always happy to beta test, it might be unnecessary for most everybody, but for some it might be somewhat slightly a little bit COOL or something. I would use it at least, and it would clean up the OP section

this is the least "threatening" idea for this site that I've ever seen argued over. you guys make all these threads about "The Org Redesign" but hardly any of you are willing to make even the most minute changes or additions.

This website will stay the same until WMG puts the final nail in its coffin.

[Pwolf]

The point is to figure out whats wrong and fix it, not add more stuff without actually figuring out what the problem is. If there are reasons why people don't use the irc chatroom that can be fixed, lets look into fixing them. I could care less if there was a beta forum or not but just adding one without discussing what's wrong with what we already have is counter intuitive.

[Begi]

Gote i u

Pretty much summed it up right there.

@JaddziaDax
I've tried, no one talks.

multiple reasons being? if it's something we can fix, then i would like to know. i can't help it from being dead though unless more people start frequenting it

I just think it's pretty stupid overall.

The point is to figure out whats wrong and fix it, not add more stuff without actually figuring out what the problem is.

I said it a billion times already...THERE ISN'T ENOUGH INTERACTION (imo) BETWEEN EDITORS ON THE FORUM. That's the problem.

i think a section for betas would ENCOURAGE beta sharing, which would ENCOURAGE communication, connection, friendship, better editing, and activity, everything that outsiders say we lack.

[Corran]

The point is to figure out whats wrong and fix it, not add more stuff without actually figuring out what the problem is.

I said it a billion times already...THERE ISN'T ENOUGH INTERACTION (imo) BETWEEN EDITORS ON THE FORUM. That's the problem.

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[Pwolf]

multiple reasons being? if it's something we can fix, then i would like to know. i can't help it from being dead though unless more people start frequenting it

I just think it's pretty stupid overall.

If you're not willing to use the resources that are available because you "think its stupid" then somethings wrong. That's being lazy, grow up.

The point is to figure out whats wrong and fix it, not add more stuff without actually figuring out what the problem is.

I said it a billion times already...THERE ISN'T ENOUGH INTERACTION (imo) BETWEEN EDITORS ON THE FORUM. That's the problem.

There's plenty of interaction on the forums. The resources are already there for what you want, which has been argued by several people already. It's not a problem.

i think a section for betas would ENCOURAGE beta sharing, which would ENCOURAGE communication, connection, friendship, better editing, and activity, everything that outsiders say we lack.

I would agree to an extent but I really don't think it would make much of a difference. I say, go ahead and do it, lets see what happens, maybe it will help.

Next time, instead of saying the chatroom sucks because you personally think it's stupid, try making a more convincing argument for what you want without swearing at other people. I asked you the first time what was wrong with the chatroom and you never gave me an honest answer that supports your argument.

This thread is for discussing ideas. We can't make everything happen so there has to be a compromise. I've been offering the compromise, a resource that already exists. No one has given me a counter argument against it other then "it's stupid", "it's dead", or "they might be on vacation"... Seriously? I don't care what happens to the forum, if it gets a million more subforums, good for it. I want to make the chatroom a better place for people to get help and to interact with other editors.

[MycathatesyouAMV]

We need a beta section because I feel that in the Op Exchange forum it's literally discouraging to users to post just threads of their betas. Some betas are basically just mini vids for fun that it would be pointless to upload to the Org that it would be nice to just get some comments on a seperate place on the vid.

[JaddziaDax]

I'm not against a subforum for the record. I'm not for it either. I consider myself indifferent because I would never use it.

I would personally not use it, because if I really feel the need to beta test my video beyond my personal friends, then I will ask other people I know and respect by pm or aim. Asking random people on the interwebs is not my style. I don't upload betas to youtube either. However, if others use it then who am I to hold them back?

Anyway that aside, I guess I find "it's dead" about the chat room odd because every time I log in people are willing to talk as long as there's something to talk about. Maybe you just log on when everyone is asleep or something? I do not know.

I don't personally log in often for my own reasons. However if I keep up my current logging in pattern "JaddziaDax is in IRC the org must be broken" will become a meme.

[Pwolf]

I don't personally log in often for my own reasons. However if I keep up my current logging in pattern "JaddziaDax is in IRC the org must be broken" will become a meme.

That does seem to be the only time you log into the chatroom...

[Arigatomina]

No one has given me a counter argument against it other then "it's stupid", "it's dead", or "they might be on vacation"... Seriously? I don't care what happens to the forum, if it gets a million more subforums, good for it. I want to make the chatroom a better place for people to get help and to interact with other editors.

The biggest problem with the chatroom is the fact that it's a chatroom. You don't know who was in there yesterday, you don't know what they talked about yesterday, you know anything you post today will be gone tomorrow. Chatrooms are a "this moment" free for all. You join, you jump into whatever conversation is going on and try to direct it to the reason you joined - your vids. If you post again tomorrow, you'll find yourself interrupting the conversation of a completely different group of people. Unless you get in there when it's empty, you'll always be the outsider butting in on someone else's conversation. A forum is a completely different venue from a chatroom and people who come looking for a forum don't want to be directed to a chatroom instead.

The chatroom is also seperate from the site. It's outside, across the street. People want their websites to have everything, all the little features they use on a dozen different sites rolled into one so they can move in and never step outside again. They want their website to be a mall with a little of everything all under the same roof. Some of these features don't belong here and really are better left to websites that focus primarily on them, or to off-topic chat in the chatroom. But when it comes to a place for editors to share their amv betas with fellow editors, that's completely ontopic and is the sort of thing the org is advertising when it draws them here. That's something they shouldn't have to go across the street from the org in order to find.

In my opinion, having new editors spam their vids in the chatroom is a great way to ensure they never come back. In the forum if they get no responses, then it's a general silence. They'll see other threads with no replies and realize they're not the only ones being ignored. When they're ignored in a chatroom it's done to their face, they see the people talking around them and take it personally. Unless they come back and lurk for days, they'll never know if this is common in that chatroom, if they just posted on a quiet day, or if it's just them getting the cold shoulder from the locals.