Scene selection in AMV edition

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Re: Scene selection in AMV edition

Postby ngsilver » Mon Nov 22, 2010 10:00 am

Without proper scene selection I couldn't tell the story I want to convey in a video nor would any of my sync work. I tend to like to use a lot of internal sync and unless the movement is chosen for the audio bit that I'm syncing too then it wont work. I can't just take Need for Speed or The Checkered Flag and just take any scene out of them and slap on another in it's place, it just wouldn't work as it'd take both the sync out as well as the story progression as well.

Take Right Now Someone is Reading This Title from the recent review thread. Think any of those specific scenes would make sense if you just slapped a random character on there? Considering each scene was picked to go along with the text I really doubt it. While sure many of these characters in the video people today may not recognize, to anyone who would have seen the video when it came out the change would basically make the video not work. I mean, Madoka playing the piano just isn't the same without Madoka actually playing the piano.
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Re: Scene selection in AMV edition

Postby Magnus » Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:32 am

Castor Troy wrote:
gotegenks wrote:what would an amv be without scene selection?


An amv on youtube.

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Re: Scene selection in AMV edition

Postby gotegenks » Mon Nov 22, 2010 12:39 pm

Pwolf wrote:There's also no such thing as "too much" scene selection.

oversync is often achieved through too much scene selection.
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Re: Scene selection in AMV edition

Postby qyll » Mon Nov 22, 2010 8:12 pm

Whoa, you guys select scenes? I've been just throwing random clips into my timeline and rendering it.
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Re: Scene selection in AMV edition

Postby JudgeHolden » Mon Nov 22, 2010 8:37 pm

qyll wrote:Whoa, you guys select scenes? I've been just throwing random clips into my timeline and rendering it.


I do it with my eyes closed. :uhoh:
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Re: Scene selection in AMV edition

Postby Nya-chan Production » Mon Nov 22, 2010 8:46 pm

JudgeHolden wrote:
qyll wrote:Whoa, you guys select scenes? I've been just throwing random clips into my timeline and rendering it.


I do it with my eyes closed. :uhoh:

I do it with my eyes closes and while doing a handstand. :uhoh:
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Re: Scene selection in AMV edition

Postby godix » Mon Nov 22, 2010 9:36 pm

Kai Stromler wrote:You can't teach someone to improve their scene selection; you can notice if it's poor, but telling them to fix it amounts to saying "suck less". There's no useful information being transmitted, because there's no such thing as an optimal scene selection process. What sorts of content the editor values when working with certain kinds of music or concepts is always going to be up to personal choice: it's their job to convince the audience that their selections are good rather than bad. Good scene selection is an emergent property of good videos rather than good videos being a necessary consequence of good scene selection.

While there is no such thing as an optimal scene selection process, there are elements to be considered that I think should be considered. For example:

- the dominate colors in each scene
- the motion, and direction of the motion
- spacial relations
- How people commonly view movies. EG a character looking off screen followed by a shot of an object, viewers will assume the character was looking at the object.
- Learn about some film ideas, like the 180 degree rule or cutting on shape

Those are a few examples, and none will tell you the optimal scene selection. Hell, two people can select entirely difference scenes even while considering those issues. But thinking about them will probably mean you pick better scenes than if you never gave them a thought.
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Re: Scene selection in AMV edition

Postby Knowname » Mon Nov 22, 2010 10:52 pm

I myself just listen to the song and pick the right scenes for it :| that must be where I went wrong. I could care less if it were black and white and about a bunch of rocks :/
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Re: Scene selection in AMV edition

Postby TritioAFB » Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:41 pm

Knowname wrote:I myself just listen to the song and pick the right scenes for it :| that must be where I went wrong. I could care less if it were black and white and about a bunch of rocks :/


That reminds me when I was playing with a Naruto episode. Even when I didnt know about what I was making, I was realizing whether which scene was better for every part.

Reffering to Godix opinion, I personally follow the spacial relations and the motion in scenes. In few cases, I have noticed that mixing several animes may be a problem if there's no motion, but if they have common facts like girls in the beach for example, then if there's timing, the idea will work.

I will like to read more opinions :book:
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Re: Scene selection in AMV edition

Postby Castor Troy » Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:52 pm

If there's one thing I have to say, anime and most animation in general have the most drab and boring cinematography of any visual medium.

This only adds more pressure to amv editors, so we should appreciate what we do. :)
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Re: Scene selection in AMV edition

Postby Pwolf » Tue Nov 23, 2010 12:02 am

Castor Troy wrote:If there's one thing I have to say, anime and most animation in general have the most drab and boring cinematography of any visual medium.

This only adds more pressure to amv editors, so we should appreciate what we do. :)


Unless you're someone who uses those boring and drab scenes in his videos... like that pwolf guy!
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Re: Scene selection in AMV edition

Postby Ikore » Tue Nov 23, 2010 2:25 am

Nya-chan Production wrote:
JudgeHolden wrote:I do it with my eyes closed. :uhoh:

I do it with my eyes closes and while doing a handstand. :uhoh:
are we still talking about scene selection? :ying:

one thing to avoid with scene selection is random, try to make a real connection (movement, logical order, or characters, etc), but I dont like amvs where all the sequences are in exactly the same chronological order than the anime, I just perceive lazyness to actually make something, or when the editor choose to put a building or landscape, just a picture there, no more than a dawn, I usually los interest on an amv on the first 10 seconds.

while watching/making an amv I just wonder: why should this be here? what is the idea of that? does this have any purpose? if the concept is this how this is related at all? if I can find an answer for that, scene selection is good :up:
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Re: Scene selection in AMV edition

Postby 8bit_samurai » Wed Nov 24, 2010 5:51 am

I would have to say there are no right or wrong ways to select scenes as there are no right or wrong ways to sync. It's all subjective. Scene selection would like the colors chosen in a drawing/painting/etc., sync would be the tools used to make it, and the editing software is what is being drawn/painted/etc. on. I would have to say most AMVs are like doodles made in back of a notebook drawn during class. It may be cool to the person who drew and maybe a few of his/her friends, but everybody else wouldn't give a damn. Then there are a few editors who can create something like the Mona Lisa, The Starry Night, No. 5, 1948, or even Campbell's Soup Cans that most people knows. Then there's those pretty cool drawings/paintings/etc. that you [edit]find at an image site or the such and you decide to save it for whatever reason [/edit], though by next week you'll most likely forget about it, and so on and so forth. Well, something like that anyways.
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Re: Scene selection in AMV edition

Postby pan_dbgt01 » Wed Nov 24, 2010 9:11 pm

Scene selection is AMVs should reflect what scenes you enjoyed the most in that particular anime. It should also go with the music. If your scenes are too long chop them up and either mix them with other short clips or continue it later on the video. Add fade-outs and cross-fades to make scenes more interesting or to match the beat of the music. You can also use effects. Whatever you are comfortable with. Shorter is generally better.
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Re: Scene selection in AMV edition

Postby Shadow0101 » Fri Dec 03, 2010 1:15 am

Personally i think there's no such thing as optimal scene selection :/ I usually select my song, kinda get a general picture on wut scenes i think might work, and go from there. usually i end up substituting scenes anyway. Since its based on personal opinions when selecting them, someone telling you to change the scene might be pointless or might be extremely effective. its chance i guess o.o ppl eitehr dislike wut u pick or they love it.

and yes editors should take pride in their work lol. Its fun, time consuming and an excellent time killer. xD
Not to mention u get to play around with your favorite anime shows as much as u please lol.
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